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JetJock16 12-01-2006 02:01 PM

SKW EMB pilots get shafted!
 
The new pay proposal at SKW passed thanks to the 975 pilots that sold the Bro pilots out. Yes 1% for the CRJ-200 pilots and 6% (CRJ 1% + override of 5%) for the 700/900 pilots may not seem like much, but it is better than what we (EMB Pilots) got, NOTHING. Not even COLA or QOL, NOTHING. That means we will enter our 6th year without any changes, except the ones Mgmnt pencil whips behind out backs. But hey, we did get a free Turkey for the holidays. I guess it's fitting. Thanks Jerry, SAPA, Brad, those 975 pilots and the rest of SKW for nothing.

I know that Jerry doesn’t want a union so I actually wonder if he thinks this BS Pay Proposal will actually prevent one. Or, maybe he’s pushing us to go union so he can merge the two pilot groups (SKW & ASA) in order to reduce training and Mgmnt cost? He’s a brilliant man so I wonder what his motives for such a BS Proposal were.

Oh and did I mention that first year pay got a HUGE bump from $19.02 to $19.25 an hour. LOL! What will the first year guys do with all that money? LOL!!!

Freightpuppy 12-01-2006 02:25 PM


Originally Posted by JetJock16 (Post 87352)
Thanks Jerry, SAPA, Brad, those 975 pilots and the rest of SKW for nothing.

LOL!!!

Amen bro!!!!!

DMEarc 12-01-2006 03:33 PM

And the SkyWest spiral into the shytter begins.

JetJock16 12-01-2006 03:58 PM


Originally Posted by DMEarc (Post 87379)
And the SkyWest spiral into the shytter begins.

You’re kidding right? Even with the new pay policy (not contract, we’re not union) our 200/700/900 pilots are at the top of the industry as far as pay and our QOL is industry leading. SKW will never fall THAT FAR! I'm just PO'd we (Bro Pilots) didn't even get COLA & first year pay didn’t increase to above $21.

dang 12-01-2006 06:18 PM

I was dissapointed to see the proprosal passed. Maybe this will encourage Bro pilots to send in their cards if they haven't. Even with the 1% increase for newhires, considering inflation all bro pilots will be taking pay cuts till 2010

Korean1DR 12-01-2006 06:27 PM


Originally Posted by DMEarc (Post 87379)
And the SkyWest spiral into the shytter begins.

I'm no Skywest fan, but I doubt it will "spiral" anywhere... It is interesting to see how the pilots stepped on eachother though... Why not stick up for the Bro pilots?

MikeB525 12-01-2006 07:39 PM

Maybe they just figured that people don't really spend much time on the Bro to begin with. It seems like the Bro is more of a "get a year of good experience then switch to the jet" and "get a faster upgrade to start getting PIC turbine then switch to the jet" type of aircraft. So it's possible most of the pilots thought it was fine because of that.

That's just my theory. Doesn't make it right or wrong, just my idea.

BALZAHARI 12-01-2006 10:21 PM


Originally Posted by JetJock16 (Post 87402)
You’re kidding right? Even with the new pay policy (not contract, we’re not union) our 200/700/900 pilots are at the top of the industry as far as pay and our QOL is industry leading. SKW will never fall THAT FAR! I'm just PO'd we (Bro Pilots) didn't even get COLA & first year pay didn’t increase to above $21.

Uh, you might want to check your #'s, I'll give you the 50 seat by a few bucks, but you said 200/700/900 . I'm looking at ASA's 11 year 700 rate at $83, Skywest's at $76., and ASA is negotiating. American Eagle 700 $83, 50 seat $79, Comair 700, $96, 50 seat $86, Republic 700 $83, 50 seat $79. This is for an 11 year Captain. Is that your version of TOP of the industry?

Dude, quit drinking the Kool-aid. You're the one that asked you're kidding..

JetJock16 12-02-2006 06:19 AM


Originally Posted by BALZAHARI (Post 87518)
Uh, you might want to check your #'s, I'll give you the 50 seat by a few bucks, but you said 200/700/900 . I'm looking at ASA's 11 year 700 rate at $83, Skywest's at $76., and ASA is negotiating. American Eagle 700 $83, 50 seat $79, Comair 700, $96, 50 seat $86, Republic 700 $83, 50 seat $79. This is for an 11 year Captain. Is that your version of TOP of the industry?

Dude, quit drinking the Kool-aid. You're the one that asked you're kidding..

I know that you really can't be that big of an idiot to not factor in our new pay package, thus the reason for the above statement. The pay scale that you’re using is over 6 years old. Name one regional that hasn't had a new TA in over 6 years and 6 years ago our pay scale was top of the industry as well. In 2007 our new 200/700/900 rates are respectively (11 yr CA) 78/82/82, 2008 78/83/83, 2009 78/84/84, and 2010 78/85/85. Add in our credits and bonuses and we will be top of the industry again. Plus you can't compare Comair seeing that their in so much trouble and won't be retaining their current TA for much longer, concession will be taken. After all, they are loosing flying. AND, you smoke to much if you think Jerry will pay his "Step Child" more than his "Son."

You're a pilot, math shouldn't be that hard. I know that the above numbers are nothing to brag about but if we’re going to compare numbers make sure there apples to apples.

P.S. I said that our pay is “Top of the Industry” not “Industry Leading.”

Puff, Puff, Give SMOKEY!

Korean1DR 12-02-2006 07:07 AM


Originally Posted by MikeB525 (Post 87473)
Maybe they just figured that people don't really spend much time on the Bro to begin with. It seems like the Bro is more of a "get a year of good experience then switch to the jet" and "get a faster upgrade to start getting PIC turbine then switch to the jet" type of aircraft. So it's possible most of the pilots thought it was fine because of that.

That's just my theory. Doesn't make it right or wrong, just my idea.

Perhaps... Or the pilots just voted on whatever would benefit themselves the most... Thus, another victory for management as they successfully have the pilots divided on the matter...


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