Short of captains is a temporary issue. Once they accelerate the RJ's retirements in the fall, they should catch up. Company rather pay premium OT pay, JM pay, etc. in the meantime than sending pilots for long term training which in the end, is more costly.

Whats the deal with new hires? What base/equip has been going out lately?

All EMB. Most seem to be going to NY.

Once people start flowing over to AA and we get new airplanes, they will wish they had upgraded a head of time.

New airplanes? Our Next Gen's CRJ's aren't that new anymore.

just wait.. you'll see..

i've heard silent mumbles and rumbles about what may be coming very soon to eagle..

and its good

How could you hear something that was silent? :D

fixed it for ya... Eagle guys know what I am talking about :D

People need hope to continue living, but false hope? That's a quick way to an early grave.

Same here! with this Announcement, pilots will flock to AE!
Rainbows and ponies to everyone.

Haha, well played sir.

Ok, spill the beans. You can't leave us hanging like that.

What is the full rumor? Numbers, dates, and domiciles. You can tell us, we won't tell anyone, I promise.

Ill give you the facts:

1. ERJ's 135's GONE by November.(displacement bid.)
2. ERJ's 140's disappearing shortly after.(December)(displacement bid)
3. ERJ's 140's-145's retiring in 2014-2017(displacement bids)
4. Not enough new hires coming in, therefore no upgrades. Even with the rest of Flows leaving ( who knows when will that resume) the parking of RJ's won't help with upgrades.
5.Republic flying new 175's.( Vac/displacement bid as they move more CRJ's out of ORD.

Dude, that is a buzkill. I was hoping for some good news, even if weak rumor.

Come on RJPilot, I expect better than you. Let's kick it up a few notches:

1. 135s gone by SEPTEMBER!
2. ALL 140s gone by the end of year.
3. 145s Start going in January 2014, at a rate of 25/month parked in the desert.
4. Think we are keeping those CRJs? Those start going next summer. By end of 2014, Eagle will have 0 aircraft airline.

Oh and Republic will take over all the flying as XJT and SKW will have no way of competing. Better getting in while you can!

^^^ Now THAT is a RJPilot post.

Seriously, no one believe this guys lies. There is doom and gloomers, but then there is this tool.

1. Read court documents. Fleet manager confirmed this 2-3 days ago.
2. see #1.
3. see#1.
4. havent heard anything in regards of CRJ's. But coming 2017 if no new planes arriving, we will be a 47 plane operation.

Republic and XJT SKW already doing this. Expect another player to the game soon.

I'll give you the facts!

1. ERJs 135 gone by years end
2. ERJ 140 start being parked after the holiday season 2013
3. ERJ 145 the high time airframes start being parked after summer 2014
4. Replacement aircraft on property, likely 2-1 ratio within 4-8 months.
5. As RAH moves into ORD they will take over the flying the CRJ is currently doing while the ERJs are moved out and the CRJ replaces most of the flying.

Currently there is vacancy bid that has displacement of ERJ FO because the company has to many ERJ FO for the amount of ERJs that will be based in ORD come this fall. A good majority of those displacements will be taken cared of by the upgrades that are to follow as AA's training department catches up. I admire your persistence but you are becoming part of the problem. You think you say it like you see it but you go out of your way to spread fear and twist information to suit your sick desires. Below is a picture of what someone posted on our company site that wasn't supposed to be posted. This information matches the BK fillings and well as the SEC documents the company has filled.

http://i.imgur.com/pIhiKvb.png

See page 31

http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix....dWJzaWQ9NTc%3d

Below is the document that sealed our returned schedule, but there was much information gathered from other fillings that made the picture above credible as far as a return schedule.

http://amrcaseinfo.com/pdflib/5295_15463.pdf

So no airplanes and a pilot shortage?

And you think they want to waste all these pilots by telling them to go away?

Yes you state the public court approved "plan" but is it even plausible that management would squander a diminishing resource? (pilots)
Unlikely IMHO.

How old is that? Seems that was a snap shot from 2012.

What you have after 2017?

Ahhhhhh yes, the pilot shortage, I forgot about that.
All is good then!

"5. As RAH moves into ORD they will take over the flying the CRJ is currently doing while the ERJs are moved out and the CRJ replaces most of the flying."

So you are saying CRJ will stay in ORD replacing EMBs as 175s replace CRJs?

ORD will shrink substantially on the L-Eagle side. No definite plans yet for the remaining C7 in ORD. So yes, your assumption might be right .

And what is to become of the RAH 140s in ORD? Isn't the contract up in 2014, and RAH needs the pilots to staff larger equipment, no? I don't see how we will cover all the smaller cities/slots ORD will require, and nobody out there has a couple thousand pilots to spare.

Easy, by reducing frequency. The best thing happening right now is AA getting those Airbus killing the need of Regionals. Its even happening now in DFW.

What I'm not understanding is why United has jerked RAH's chain hard for trying to staff the E170/5 while they have Q400's sitting idle.

Give it some time, RAH could be in a lot of trouble once SKW gets their pilots to help the company and the Ejet program up and running.

The 319 is not replacing regionals per say. The airplane is replacing the MD80. The 319 will have 6 seats less than current MD80s.

All regionals will shrink as the mainlines bring more flying in house. This will happen over the next 2 years. This will mitigate the dry pool of applicants, the parking of smaller Rj and introduction of larger RJs as you mentioned reduction in frequency as the competition is reduced in many markers.

Same thing. The 80 is already taking routes away from RJ's in DFW.
Thats a good thing!

Management to this day continues to say that their plan is to re fleet the wholly owned. They keep holding stuff hostage while they continue asking for cuts. But if you look at what they are saying, what the court fillings has and how they negotiated out contract. They are looking to re fleet the airline, they already have substantial cost saving that will put Eagle below industry average as far as pilots cost in 2 1/2 years, right after SKW and EXJ take their rate adjustments. All they are trying to do is get more from the pilots and pilots have demonstrated that they will give it up. A b scale is not going to deter them from doing what they have planed and freezing the guys that don't flow is not going to hurt them either as the top guys are already maxed out and the ones that aren't and choose to stay will be index before long. They are trying to whipsaw PSA against Eagle before the merger is finalized of LCC and AMR and what i believe to be the soon merger of both airlines.

Irony....RJ's took 80 routes now those routes are going back.

It is a good thing, they will shift flying from the regionals back to mainline because as they re fleet mainline and with current cost even if pilots worked for free the RJs earning potential is not as great as small NB aircraft. With the industry consolidating, 1500 hr rules, lack of people interested in becoming pilots, new rest rules and much of the outsourcing that has taken place at other workgroups outside of the flight crews the regionals don't serve as much purpose being as large as they are but they will continue to have a place. The regionals combined will be 1500 aircraft by end of 2015 and that number will likely continue to shrink as we approach the end of the decade and retirements pick up to over 2,500 pilots a year when you account for 121 and cargo pilots. Don't forget also that a good number of regionals have a significant amount of pilots who will retire in the next 10 years. Eagle will retire over 20 pilots a year over the next 10 years. That's an extra 200+ pilots. SKW, Pinnacle, RAH, EXJ have numbers that are comparable so out of the 17000 or so pilots at the regionals today close to 10% won't be around. You ad in that mainlines will replace 60% of their pilots in the next 10 years (20000+) and that there are no where enough applicants to cover the regionals need of today. There won't be a shortage as the mainlines will just adjust accordingly, they will add programs to make it easier and more appealing to be an airline pilots.... Oh wait, AE is already trying to do that ;)

True, I can see that happening, but slot controlled airports, unless I have dated info, have requirements to "use them or lose them", and they are worth big bucks to lose and have put up for bid.

Wasn't Simmons bought partly for it's ORD slots when Simmons got hold of the old Britt slots?

I wouldn't necessarily buy into another player as the AA/US combined airline has many players, I actually see the mainlines reducing the number players. They have clauses in that regionals will maintain a certain cost structure and be indexed every 5 or so years towards the most cost efficient operations. Times have changed, the whipsaw will continue but not as many players will needed.

Delta will have Pinnacle and Compass perform most of the flying, United will have SKW and EXJ do most of their flying and AA/US will have Eagle/PSA combined doing most of the feed with some other operators tied in. You will see RAH go down to one operating certificate likely in BK as I don't see them being able to unload Frontier at a profit and likely will be left with some debt. They have also undercut everyone and at some point the bills won't be able to be paid and the debt will be high. Similar to AA. I think a tell of where RAH will be going are the details form the Frontier sale.

I'll play the role of an additional pessimist here. Our offer at eagle was for 60 new planes. Now they're supposedly talking with PSA about 60 new planes. Lets not rule out that SKW has options for 60 additional Ejets, and their first base is already announced to be ORD for the Ejet. SKW already does flying for both AA and US. They could EASILY be given the 60 additional planes. Their options and the number management is putting out match.

Listen to the video out on Kirby's Q&A, also read what came form their camp late spring early summer. The 60 is just the first wave, there is a number of orders that they will be making as the regionals re fleet. RAH has options, Compass has options and SKW has options.

SKW could get airplanes out west specially since the 50 seaters they have on contract with AA are some of the older -200 and the contract expires in 3 years. Look at the option SKW has for the later part of decade, these will be replacing some of the current flying they do for UAL.

RAH will not just be flying out of ORD for AA, they will slowly blend into the system and since they do outstation bases it will be easier to fit them into the DFW market as well as MIA. There will be much shifting around over the next years or so.

With that said they could make an example out of Eagle just like Delta did with Comair but management has a different plan for Eagle. They are investing heavily into the company and they already have cost saving measures in place.

Eagle will be nothing more than a ground service provider in the end.
Thats management vision.

I doubt that, they wouldn't set up the recruiting programs and incentives to work at Eagle. Management is smarter and better trained than we are, they don't waste money just to ruin your life. There is a plan, they'll execute their plan and whether or not it makes you miserable is no concern of theirs.

Eagle's future isn't rosy, no regional's is, but it's foolish to think it will just disappear.

Already been pinched by the man already, probably better not to push it.

In other words - just ignore RJPilot.

Not an irony at all. The last decade would not support the 80 - this market will.
The story of Eagle was to keep the network intact until mainline could bounce back.
Nothing to see here

OR
if they do intend to shutter egl the efforts show a judge that they tried to honor the promises to egl but well you know the rest...