Show what to a judge? They don't have to pay bonuses, set up incentives programs like they are. The only other airline doing anything remotely close is RAH where they give you 5K and a guarantee interview if you go to ATP Eagle is hiring you, putting you on payroll, giving you flight benefits as well as healthcare and a "guarantee job" at mainline. I think they are trying to do more than just impress a judge.


***They will change from a guarantee interview to a guarantee job. It's already being proposed and most on property already have something similar, and yes I know that so far it hasn't really worked as advertised.

That's a long period of indentured servitude right there. Good show, AA. Just wait until they start underwriting loans...lawd have mercy.

It goes to tell you that they aren't worried so much about company longevity as they are having a supply of qualified candidates over their competitors. If you look around most airlines are setting up programs, currently AE/AA is ahead of the pack but I am certain that most will catch up very soon.

I talked to a Delta rep at a career expo that was targeted to flight students. She said that Delta is not concerned about attracting to people to Delta but if it came down to it, underwriting loans was on the table...

I cringed a little.

Absolutely, they are not worried about getting folks to Delta. The issue will be getting folks to their regionals, specially the ones with very bad contracts, Pinnacle. If they weren't concerned they wouldn't be considering loans. They will want a certain service time at the regional and for them to compete with what AA or United might offer they must offer more than just an interview.

The regionals won't have the capital or resources to fund new hire loans, specially since they will want them on property earning money asap and this will require a 4 year degree. Mainlines will have to step up and they will want some type of ROI specially since these loans will approach the cost of a mortgage and these guys won't be able to make more than minimum payments for a considerable amount of time. The mainlines like fast ROI as airline management focuses mainly on what is happening today and tomorrow rather than the future. They often don't last long enough, sort of like sport coaches. Investors care for what have you done for me lately, everyone knows airlines aren't long term investments.

Check out the latest court filings. Namely the objections by USAPA. Looks like management REALLY doesn't have a plane for Eagle. They really are just winging it. Or it's not a good future. I can't imagine managements plan being so great that they forgot to mention it in the court documents.

yeah, but the pilot shortage will work for our advantage!

Is not that that they don't have a plan, is that they filled a motion for the court to keep it sealed. Could it be because it's bad? Well they are threatening with worse case scenario. Or could it be because it hold the information on where they plan to place aircraft and where. People are naive to think that all of this isn't figured out already. AE makes up about 20% of AMR. This is why ToHo did the deal with RAH, to try an devalue Eagle and trow a wrench on the merger. The plan is sealed up and USAPA is asking for it to be made public, giving them more knowledge and possible leverage during the joint CBA negotiations. The SCOPE from the MOU is bad and well above the restrictions set by United and Delta. If USAPA is able to obtain a better idea on what management is planing to do with the regional side of the house they will be able to negotiate more efficiently.

The leverage management has over us is the fear of the unknown, if we are able to negotiate in a better position. If we are able to not grow the gap between major and regional wages the more leverage mainline pilots have and the less desire management will have to outsource. Yes they will always want that control, but they also like profits and the more they save the more they put in their pockets.

Fixed it for you!

A real pilot shortage may just ending up being us working more and having less days off.

After bankruptcy AMR doesn't have to prove anything to a judge. If they want to shutter Eagle they don't have to make a single "good faith" gesture. At that point the only people they answer to is the board.

shutter Eagle, where does the furlough protection goes?

just sayin'.

An American Airlines Pilot who on his own time and dime updates recall information for furlough pilots on a website. He is frequently updated by APA and on his own decided to keep updating the list for the last 150 pilots on the AA list who are the Eagle guys who have numbers. Any how, he is a very credible source and AA has increased their class size for September and on. This is what he posted!


Hot off the press today. AA will be conducting two classes in September and two in October.

The September 11 class will be 40 instead of 25. No word yet on class size going forward.

We may be back to N824 movement/new hires this year, as early as November.

Nice... I hope this place starts moving again soon. I need to get senior FO by next year. So I can bid whatever I want and be more time home.

I can't wait to hear RJ Pilots spin of doom and gloom on this.

I suspect over the next year or two there will fits and starts...doom and gloom and then, the heavens will open!!

A lot of people are still going to be here for a long time. I hope there is some energy into making it a good place to be.

Hot off the press today. AA will be conducting two classes in September and two in October.

The September 11 class will be 40 instead of 25. No word yet on class size going forward.

We may be back to N824 movement/new hires this year, as early as November.


Dont need to, that post clearly explains it.

In other words you spent all morning racking your brain thinking of how you could torpedo this and that was the best you came up with.

Got it.

i've heard light mumbles it could be in the 60-80 a month range...

I also heard they have a fleet plan for us!

They do, they just won't tell us unless you have a b scale and kick the gezzers out! Can you leave so we can get our fleet plan?

And by "maybe we'll be to the numbered/824 guys" he was referring to that AA is increasing the numbered of guys it can train and it looks like it will be sooner than previously forecasted. But you can spin it as you want to hear it.

LOL, that is funny!

Which one, the 2010, 2011, 2012 or 2013 fleet plan. All four no one has ever seen in writing but there is one just can't see it.

Some people saw the 2012/2013 one... I heard it was sweet

Like I have said many times, Im gunna ride this puppy till the end.

Yes, pilots will flow, as we park planes. So really no reason for a huge vacancy bid.... in fact, I can see more displacements than vacancies posted.

AMR surely timed this perfect.

You forgot closing of ORD, MIA and LGA/JFK. That would explain where the displacements come from.

Breach of contract goes to a judge

If management wants to shut down Eagle you can have all the "furlough protection" in the world, it won't matter. The US government is not going to force a company to run at a loss just because of labor contracts.

Breach of contract litigation has absolutely no bearing on the insolvency of a corporation.

It was not sweet, to many holes how to replace and transfer aircraft out of eagle. You have to read between the lines, but a lot can not.
That is the problem at eagle.

You failed to see his sarcasm

One of our reps told us it was sweet so it has to be true

A Chicago rep?

Could be...

Dave is who first said the fleet plan is sweet, Chris just repeated what he said.

Oh, a liar and one without an original thought.