AE New vacancy BID out!
 

Lots of movement.

AND displacement bid. 30 ORD EMJ FO's getting the boot.

You must not know RJ pilot. He is the eagle forum troll here. If you didn't get it, he was being sarcastic. All bad news is good news to him. I think the bender he went on after RAH got their contract did some permanent damage

Bowl movement

I don't get it. Why are they sending more FOs to NY. Do they really need 80 guys on RSV?

Tdy to Mia, ORD and Dfw.

No sarcasm here, There is a Vacancy/Displacement bid posted. Now if your guys are dreaming about CA vacancies keep dreaming, along with the company giving us free iPads.

Hate to break it to you guys, but obviously we arent hiring enough FO's to fill those vacancies. How ya'll think the company will fill those FO's vacancies?

Hint. How many ERJ's are we parking at the end of year?

I don't know how many, but just curious if any of them are painted in the new livery. The RJ's look real cool in the new paint.

Look like trash

Hint we wouldn't need the extra FO's either.

even worse.:(

Here you go making an ass out of yourself again. Why would the company run a vacancy/displacement bid to just redo it all over again by displacing CA back to FO creating even more training cycles. Also, why not just cancel the guys in training since they are the most junior. Why let them finish as the most junior CA are starting training in the next two weeks or so just to pulled them at the end of training or displace them shortly after when the smaller ERJs are parked. Makes no sense.

Now one could say that they are taking ERJs out of ORD as many assumed that all the CRJs were leaving, the company said they would start moving CRJs to NY but they didn't say they were all leaving. Everyone assumed that they were because there are 47 Ejets coming to ORD, or are they. That another fallacy, RAH has 47 Ejets coming to feed AA but they aren't all for ORD.

Eagle will shrink, but Eagle will replace ERJs with CRJs, a combination of 700/900. This has been the plan all along, now PSA is in the mix as they will get some airplanes but most will come here as the pilots are here, and don't give me the whole the pilots at PSA are that much cheaper than Eagle crap. Our compensation is just a small piece of the pie.

Another note, look how the ERJ displacements match the ERJ vacancies. Also look how there is an increase on vacancies on the CRJ in NY. This is because last time all the FO position that were to be reduced were absorbed by guys upgrading, and now they will put new hires on the CRJ in NY as no one in the company can bid it. As far as making it available for displacement, well is not required since you can go anywhere in the system that your seniority could hold so it's a moot point. But carry on sir!

Eagle continues to spend $$$ on new hires just so they can Comair us, or is that Pinnacle us, Is PSA being Eagled?!?!?!

***There weren't upgrades on this vacancy because the numbered guys aren't going to AA for 8-10 weeks, since APA change the payout at AA over 100 guys whom perviously deferred recall came running in matter of days creating a training bubble, so they are shrinking the amount of guys they take in but will take them in so they can get the pay out. Then in October-November time frame you will see 50 Eagle guys go a month and I am suspecting 100 of those guys will go. So that puts another vacancy bid in September!

Training cost at PSA is next to none for 900s or additional 700s as they're all typed in the AC. That alone isn't cheap to retype pilots from am erj to a crj......

Like everyone knows just because it makes sense to us pilots, doesn't mean it does to management.

But they would have to still type new hire FOs at both airlines so that is a wash. Also at least 70% of the captain vacancies at Eagle go to upgrades. Meaning that if they brought in 2 airplanes and required 10 Captains to staff these said airplanes, at least 7 of the captain vacancies would go to current FO and a maximum of 3 to current captains. Of course if they are displacing then you are awarded the bid to immediately lose it as you are displaced. At Eagle they run vacancy bids first and then they displace, all in the same bid but run in that order.

The way the contract is written is for Eagle to be re fleeted with minimal raining cycles. FO can't bid from the ERJ to the CRJ so they would have to wait to be displaced or get an upgrade, and the way management has set up is for attrition to cover most of the reductions. So the guys that are going form the ERJ to the CRJ would be due to upgrades and they have to be trained anyway meanwhile their FO ERJ slot is not backfilled.

Does PSA have a short upgrade program or do they have attend an entire course when they upgrade?

If you replace 35 Crj200s at PSA for say 35 CRJ700s it'd cost ZERO training dollars...... New hires I see as a push.

Upgrade at PSA is a week of ground, maybe 6 sims total then IOE. You can get an FO to CA under a month easily.

Who knows what's happening. We all will find out shortly. USairways mgt team seems to be ok with wholly owns. They've kept them around for a reason. They have direct control and if things go south can reduce block hours etc as they desire with no contractual obligations of a FFD contract. With USairways mgt keeping the power I'm unsure if their mindset will change after a merger.

I do understand your point. And agree with your statement. So you guys do have a short upgrade training. Like you said they have a plan. They will have X amount of 50 seaters and X amount of 65 seaters and X amount 76 seaters. They are just going to shuffle around assets but what they are focusing on is that as they transition to larger aircraft pilot pay is not increased but to their wish decreased.

US Airways mentioned a few months ago that their intention was to re fleet their regionals, but that they couldn't guarantee airplanes the first time around to the regionals who were willing to take cuts. This was right after PSA and PDT signed a contract and Eagle was in the midst of implementing the concessions. Right after PSA hey will go to PDT and Eagle regardless of what PSA votes.

Question fellas...you would make the decision to have an SLI between the three wholly owns...the unions or company?

For an SLI to happen the company would have to merge the regionals, and if there is a merger then ALPA already has guidance on how to merge regionals. This would be up to the unions, the problem often in mergers is not the SLI (except US Airways) but rather agreeing to a single contract.

US Airways asked the pilot groups to agree to an SLI before a contract would be hammered out and since they didn't agree with the rulings and such the two pilot groups are still split. United handled it a bit different and US Airways wanted to ensure this didn't happen again even tho they made money from it last time around and that's why there was the birth of the MOU. If they are to merge the regionals I think the SLI won't be the problem, it will be the contract and I see this as the reason they are going from airline to airline for concessions as to use those rates for the merged regionals. I believe they will merge the regionals after they get either PSA or Eagle to take concessions.

Agreed, they need one to take concession then merge the owned regionals and use the concessionary contract as the base contract. That is why we need to replace the current union leadership at eagle, to stop the spineless weasels from giving the rest of store away.

Last time around Flagship contract was better but Simmons was management friendly and an alpa carrier, so when they merged the eagles, the Simmons contract was the base of the merge with minor tweak for 16 years.

Ahhhhh, i see

We are likely to see the same thing at TSH, and SKW will do something similar after they adjust contracts. They have no need for some many certificates when SCOPE as far as restrictions have been almost eliminated. It will only save them money since they are implementing future cuts into contracts.

They did this last year lol

Last year was different, when this happened the company was doing a political furlough of 50 pilots and displacing 100 captains. It cost the company dearly as far as training cycles. Not all the displacements actually happened. They could do it again in an attempt to punishment to us but they know that it will cost them more than it will save. They are playing the whipsaw game and they won't stop until pilots make them stop as a whole. Not saying that isn't going to happen but the circumstances are different. But they could also park a bunch of airplanes and test the furlough protection but as long as we are hiring, airplanes remain full and replacement companies struggle to staff the flying I think we will be ok and this is not just for Eagle, it applies to al the regionals because we are all on the same boat.

I'm curious
 

What would happen if we gave management everything they wanted. Say we took the 1113 term sheet and then this "B" scale idea.
Would anyone want to work here?
Eagle gives newhires the option of a $5k signing bonus.
Are they having to do this because there is a shortage, or because no one can see a future.

If we gave them (management) exactly what they wanted, would anyone be here in 5 years???

For what it's worth everybody is having trouble hiring.

I just heard that the last class at Expressjet was supposed to have 18 but only 7 showed up. +/- 1 or 2 to those numbers but you get the point.

They all went to republic.. Why fly a dingy 145 when you can fly the Mac daddy 175?

Yes and yes. There has been, currently is, and will always be no shortage of people who are willing to fly jets regardless of the pay and schedules.

Unfortunately... I fear this is true. I have a former co-worker who is applying to Republic because they see it is a bright future and want to fly the E175. A friend who also used to work here at Eagle (got furloughed during the last batch), got hired at Republic and did not accept recall. When asked why, "This company is going places. They really know how to secure new flying. I don't worry about having a job."

Get back to them in about six months and see how they feel ;)

Unfortunately one has been there a year (got hired almost immediately after furloughed here). Still loves it.

Engines under the wings, I only wish I could fly the regional heavy...

I made more money in training last year lol basically was living at the in dfw . Good thai restaurant down the street by the way

Saturday, July 27, 2013


MEC Newsblast
Fellow American Eagle pilots,

Second, yesterday management announced a vacancy bid that does not contain any Captain vacancies. We have been told that this is the direct relation to an inability to hire sufficient First Officers. The company has indicated that despite our current need for additional Captains, upgrading First Officers at this point would create an imbalance between First Officers and Captains and therefore upgrades are being delayed.


With reference to the flow-through, due to the number of furloughed AA pilots who have now decided to return to employment at AA, it appears that the nine Eagle pilots who were originally scheduled to attend AA training in July will be delayed until October. AA had originally expected to begin hiring new hires in September and that is now expected to be delayed until the end of this year, or the beginning of next.

or the beginning of the next one, or the next one.....

There you have it. Cant hire FO's therefore no upgrades. Thats how it works if you understand...

Really because we run out of CA all the time and FO sitting at home. Also, an airline wants to attract new hires, then continue to upgrade. You said we weren't upgrading because we are going to park a bunch of airplanes and displace captains back to FO. We are not upgrading because AA had a huge amount of people come back at the last minute due to pay out. Give it 4-6 weeks and you will see another vacancy with upgrades. How come they have CRJ FO in the vacancy?

Perhaps, now that "B" scale offer doesn't look that bad now huh? New planes with engines underwing should attract more snotted riddle kids regardless of pay. And yeah, all 135's gone by Nov and the 140's starting in Dec.

As of now, by 2017 Eagle will be fleet of 47 CRJ's.

On paper you're right, the fleet will be that small. However anyone thinking logically can see that AA can't afford to lose that much lift. No one is able to meet hiring targets right now so they can't just shuffle that much flying to a bunch of separate regionals. Is the situation rosy? Absolutely not. Should people be actively looking for other jobs? Probably. On the other hand the sky is not falling and most sane people never wanted to be a career regional pilot anyway. Either there is a shortage and Eagle will be around long enough for people to get out and go somewhere or the shortage was never real and the shrinking of Eagle will save people from dead end regional life by forcing them into other ventures.

I will say though, your constant trolling gets a few people on here quite upset and I love reading it.

There aren't that many wide eye kids out there anymore?

"Second, yesterday management announced a vacancy bid that does not contain any Captain vacancies. We have been told that this is the direct relation to an inability to hire sufficient First Officers. The company has indicated that despite our current need for additional Captains, upgrading First Officers at this point would create an imbalance between First Officers and Captains and therefore upgrades are being delayed."

How would a B scale attract more new hires? We are not short on FO to be able to upgrade and you know that. We have 200-300 more FO than we do CA system wide, that's not taking into account all the captains that are tied up as instructors and management positions. The reason they are not upgrading is highlighted below. Did you see how they didn't say that we are not upgrading because we don't have airplanes, they just put the blame on not having FO. How come the company has not sent out the seniority list that was supposed to be out on the 15th? Stop trying to scare people, and play your games. You are smart enough to see what is happening and management thinks we are stupid enough to play.

"With reference to the flow-through, due to the number of furloughed AA pilots who have now decided to return to employment at AA, it appears that the nine Eagle pilots who were originally scheduled to attend AA training in July will be delayed until October. AA had originally expected to begin hiring new hires in September and that is now expected to be delayed until the end of this year, or the beginning of next."

Taking that B scale would have done nothing for us. They are not going to decide where billions of dollars worth of aircraft are going on a B scale for new hires they can't even find today. To fly what, the Ejet that RAH, Compass, SKW and EXJ will be flying. Like I said earlier, there are folks who are chasing that airplane but it isn't that many. The majority of pilots out there are not sitting there salivating to fly a Ejet, yes nice airplane but folks look at many other factors.

I'll eat my words when you can show proof to me that we are short on FO.

All the more reason why Im curious about the ORD displacements. Send 30 FOs from a busy base to one where they will sit on their ass. If Im missing something please enlighten me but it just seems decisions are being made with a dart board and a bottle of whiskey.

As soon as Rupgnant starts flying their shiny new jets in ORD instead of just taking up our gate space, we'll start losing EMJ flying. AE is just getting ahead of the power curve. We're already short on Capts, so that list is already started the downsizing.