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Old 07-28-2013 | 09:42 PM
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Originally Posted by terryhflyer
And we look forward to taking more of your flying in the future. Sincerely yours.
Ahh the arrogance of the once mighty Eagle pilot. Scared?
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Old 07-28-2013 | 09:56 PM
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Originally Posted by toomanyrjs
Whatever helps you sleep at night. Another classy move by the IBT. Put real Eagle pilots on the street then thank them for the opportunity to transfer the jobs to Repugnant.
Hmmm. Doesn't eagle fly airplanes for American Airlines? They fact that you fly 70+ seat aircraft for mainline means that you haven't contributed to the continued degradation of mainline pilot positions... Congrats on being the toughest fifth grader on the playground. The entire regional market is predicated upon flying aircraft cheaper than mainline. It would be cheaper to fly these routes in-house otherwise. People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Mainline still views Eagle as ...... well a regional.... Just like Republic
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Old 07-28-2013 | 10:42 PM
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Originally Posted by BLEEDBLACKNGOLD
Hmmm. Doesn't eagle fly airplanes for American Airlines? They fact that you fly 70+ seat aircraft for mainline means that you haven't contributed to the continued degradation of mainline pilot positions... Congrats on being the toughest fifth grader on the playground. The entire regional market is predicated upon flying aircraft cheaper than mainline. It would be cheaper to fly these routes in-house otherwise. People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Mainline still views Eagle as ...... well a regional.... Just like Republic
This is true of XJT/ASA and all of Skywest, and every other regional out there that is staffed with the non-scabs that are trying to earn jobs that keep disappearing every time a union group at a major is in a position to either protect its scope or its pensions. Every union group, at every major has given up scope on every contract in the last several rounds of negotiation, in exchange for protections of the lifestyles of those already on property. The big beef most of us "RJ" pilots have with ALPA and your throwing of stones is that our union dues go to the same pot as yours, and we keep getting thrown under the bus. There is no question that pilot on pilot whinging is a waste of effort and time, and I want to avoid that, but before mainline pilots earning living wages start denigrating all of us trike driving babies, maybe a quick mirror check as to who has power on scope clauses is called for. I know that I am willing to lose my job, before I will take (any more) concessions... were Delta, or United pilots (as regards scope, the issue at hand for this conversation)? Absolutely not! Is the new and improved America West aka 'Merican going to "stand strong" and refuse to have anything bigger than 50 seats flown by us poor bottom feeders? of course not...

That being said, before mainline guys accuse RJ pilots of ruining the industry, remember where the power lies, and remember that RJ pilots would all love to be living under a mainline contract, but we can't because majors keep giving up scope, to protect the lifestyles of those already on property...

my 2 cents, from the bottom looking up (for over a decade now...)
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Old 07-29-2013 | 04:30 AM
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Originally Posted by BLEEDBLACKNGOLD
Hmmm. Doesn't eagle fly airplanes for American Airlines? They fact that you fly 70+ seat aircraft for mainline means that you haven't contributed to the continued degradation of mainline pilot positions... Congrats on being the toughest fifth grader on the playground. The entire regional market is predicated upon flying aircraft cheaper than mainline. It would be cheaper to fly these routes in-house otherwise. People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Mainline still views Eagle as ...... well a regional.... Just like Republic
Eagle don't fly airplanes larger than 65 seats, just saying!!!

I agree with you, all pilots have contributed to the problem, from the mainline guys letting the airplanes be outsourced, to regional pilots at all levels and the ones that don't care how much they are paid as long as they get to fly a large rj and upgrade faster.
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Old 07-29-2013 | 06:10 AM
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And with engines under the wings.
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Old 07-29-2013 | 06:14 AM
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Originally Posted by flysooner9
And with engines under the wings.
Itll happen for you too man.
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Old 07-29-2013 | 06:39 AM
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Originally Posted by flysooner9
And with engines under the wings.
Because everyone knows that planes with engines in the front or back are for babies. Engines under the wings are for the better pilots - don't be hat'in... :-/
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Old 07-29-2013 | 07:30 AM
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whoever started the engines under the wings stuff should be given some kind of medal because these tools just cant drop it, pathetic. its cool that you probably are one of the several clowns on here that took the dive a couple years back and now think you're in a position to critcize those that have to do the same. funny how that works, keep it up
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Old 07-29-2013 | 08:00 AM
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Whoever started it, I love them. Sure does make you mad.
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Old 07-29-2013 | 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by LifeStyler
This is true of XJT/ASA and all of Skywest, and every other regional out there that is staffed with the non-scabs that are trying to earn jobs that keep disappearing every time a union group at a major is in a position to either protect its scope or its pensions. Every union group, at every major has given up scope on every contract in the last several rounds of negotiation, in exchange for protections of the lifestyles of those already on property. The big beef most of us "RJ" pilots have with ALPA and your throwing of stones is that our union dues go to the same pot as yours, and we keep getting thrown under the bus. There is no question that pilot on pilot whinging is a waste of effort and time, and I want to avoid that, but before mainline pilots earning living wages start denigrating all of us trike driving babies, maybe a quick mirror check as to who has power on scope clauses is called for. I know that I am willing to lose my job, before I will take (any more) concessions... were Delta, or United pilots (as regards scope, the issue at hand for this conversation)? Absolutely not! Is the new and improved America West aka 'Merican going to "stand strong" and refuse to have anything bigger than 50 seats flown by us poor bottom feeders? of course not...

That being said, before mainline guys accuse RJ pilots of ruining the industry, remember where the power lies, and remember that RJ pilots would all love to be living under a mainline contract, but we can't because majors keep giving up scope, to protect the lifestyles of those already on property...

my 2 cents, from the bottom looking up (for over a decade now...)
haha awesome rant!! I agree with you. The only "throwing stones" was in reference to the "it's republic's fault". I wish eagle and republic the best with the rough road that lies ahead. Management is sure there is some blood in that rock if they keep squeezing. I also served a dime at the regionals. The point I was trying to make is that any time a company believes they have a "cost effective" decision that will create a competitive advantage spreads throughout the competition (eg scope clause @ mainline). The regional airlines are also playing the competitive advantage game. No pilot career receives benefits from this struggle. That cat was let out of the bag a long time ago... Good luck to all of us trying to put it back in.

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