XJT Whipsaw
01-16-2013, 08:12 AM
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XJT Whipsaw
Just read your newest comm.
JCBA negotiations are on hold as all three parties take stock of their current positions. The new equipment process has no connection to JCBA negotiations. Any terms and conditions reached will only apply to Contract 2004. When a decision is made to return to the table and resume JCBA negotiations, we will redirect appropriate focus to the JCBA. Until that time, our primary focus will be completing the terms and conditions for new equipment.
I wanted to know why our negotiating committee wasn't meeting with the XJT guys and company. Turns out, the ASA MEC wants to to keep meeting but your side is more interested is getting a whipsaw going between our two carriers. How can your MEC actually believe that whatever comes out of this will not affect the joint contract? Would have made much more sense to have both groups in there to get a new 70 seat rate and have it become retroactive than to start this whipsaw BS. We need to be united and come out with one voice on what that rate will be instead of entertaining this obvious ruse by the company to divide us even more.
Unbelieveable.
JCBA negotiations are on hold as all three parties take stock of their current positions. The new equipment process has no connection to JCBA negotiations. Any terms and conditions reached will only apply to Contract 2004. When a decision is made to return to the table and resume JCBA negotiations, we will redirect appropriate focus to the JCBA. Until that time, our primary focus will be completing the terms and conditions for new equipment.
I wanted to know why our negotiating committee wasn't meeting with the XJT guys and company. Turns out, the ASA MEC wants to to keep meeting but your side is more interested is getting a whipsaw going between our two carriers. How can your MEC actually believe that whatever comes out of this will not affect the joint contract? Would have made much more sense to have both groups in there to get a new 70 seat rate and have it become retroactive than to start this whipsaw BS. We need to be united and come out with one voice on what that rate will be instead of entertaining this obvious ruse by the company to divide us even more.
Unbelieveable.
01-16-2013, 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Redundant Guy
Just read your newest comm.
JCBA negotiations are on hold as all three parties take stock of their current positions. The new equipment process has no connection to JCBA negotiations. Any terms and conditions reached will only apply to Contract 2004. When a decision is made to return to the table and resume JCBA negotiations, we will redirect appropriate focus to the JCBA. Until that time, our primary focus will be completing the terms and conditions for new equipment.
I wanted to know why our negotiating committee wasn't meeting with the XJT guys and company. Turns out, the ASA MEC wants to to keep meeting but your side is more interested is getting a whipsaw going between our two carriers. How can your MEC actually believe that whatever comes out of this will not affect the joint contract? Would have made much more sense to have both groups in there to get a new 70 seat rate and have it become retroactive than to start this whipsaw BS. We need to be united and come out with one voice on what that rate will be instead of entertaining this obvious ruse by the company to divide us even more.
Unbelieveable.
JCBA negotiations are on hold as all three parties take stock of their current positions. The new equipment process has no connection to JCBA negotiations. Any terms and conditions reached will only apply to Contract 2004. When a decision is made to return to the table and resume JCBA negotiations, we will redirect appropriate focus to the JCBA. Until that time, our primary focus will be completing the terms and conditions for new equipment.
I wanted to know why our negotiating committee wasn't meeting with the XJT guys and company. Turns out, the ASA MEC wants to to keep meeting but your side is more interested is getting a whipsaw going between our two carriers. How can your MEC actually believe that whatever comes out of this will not affect the joint contract? Would have made much more sense to have both groups in there to get a new 70 seat rate and have it become retroactive than to start this whipsaw BS. We need to be united and come out with one voice on what that rate will be instead of entertaining this obvious ruse by the company to divide us even more.
Unbelieveable.
01-16-2013, 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Avroman
Yup, unfortunately if I had to guess, United and Delta are both about to do to you what just happened to Pinnacle. Prepare for multiple meat missles minus the lube.
They will burn it down for the sake of industry!
01-16-2013, 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Bartok
No way dude, XJT has way too much self respect to let that happen.
They will burn it down for the sake of industry!
They will burn it down for the sake of industry!
In the end, it's each man for himself regardless of what forum ****-talking is going on. That's why the 9E TA passed by 85%. I would love to see some major movement happen to 'stick it to the man', but nothing ever will.
01-16-2013, 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Bartok
No way dude, XJT has way too much self respect to let that happen.
They will burn it down for the sake of industry!
They will burn it down for the sake of industry!
Me personally, my givea****-o-meter is pegged at zero. I used to pride myself in on time departures and going above and beyond, but not with this company. Working with idiot gate agents, rampers, dispatchers and schedulers as well as fighting to get pay restored just takes a toll on you.
As for the OP question, what I read in the email was that the XJT MEC is debating bringing in ASA for discussions with the new rates. Not so much as a whipsaw, but ASA reps are getting labeled as unprofessional.
01-16-2013, 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by GlobeTreker
I don't have such a burning desire to fly an airplane that I would subject myself the the wages Pinnacle just voted in. I would rather watch my airline burn. I plan on getting out of the industry and maybe flight instruction part time for fun if we get Pinnacled. I find it sad most of you voted to come sit short call reserve for less than I made flight instructing. Delta isn't hiring this year. There is a excellent track record of flow throughs not working out. I think between Compass and Pinnacle there will be way more promises tan jobs for a long time even if Delta doesn't back out on their promises.
Congratulations on being such cheap *****s. To the Pinnacle guys who voted no, I'm truly sorry you are surrounded by weaklings.
Congratulations on being such cheap *****s. To the Pinnacle guys who voted no, I'm truly sorry you are surrounded by weaklings.
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