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Old 01-17-2013 | 02:49 AM
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Originally Posted by flyingkangaroo
Time to get a jcba and a sli. If we don't that's fine since l-XJT is making money and your aren't. Plus you work for delta and they will someday piece your flying out since you are not cost competitive.
See again more idiotic posting.

1. What the hell is l-xjt or l-asa... we aren't an F'ing legacy, there is no legacy involved with regionals.

2. It's one combined company on a single ops certificate. XJET combined really hasn't made any money at all since the merger but the combined company may return to profitability sometime this year....

3. You work work for delta too man. It's funny i swear when I leave atl in an RJ, and im following an ERJ, the guy in front of me says acey too. Now you work for AMR/USA too..... and also for SKYW.[/QUOTE]

No not idiotic. I don't work for delta. Dont have delta benefits or amr benefits. So if we don't have a jcba and a sli and delta starts piecing out your flying, guess what furloughs won't be on the erj XJT side...again if you look at the Skywest earnings call, the erj side is making a profit while as a whole XJT is slightly losing. Now simple math would be if one entity is making money but overall a loss, the loss has to come from somewhere, and that would be your side my friend. I am not trying to knock you since I want this crap done yesterday so we can move on as one real pilot group. I mthink you crj guys have to start being eyes wide open instead of eyes shut. Erj guys were like that at the beginning about no PBS. Now we are on board with a pbs after seeing what it could do for our QOL.
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Old 01-17-2013 | 03:02 AM
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Originally Posted by newarkblows
NOW they want to give negotiating a try? The ASA MEC has shot down every possible resolution to our Pbs debacle. Maybe they want to sit in on the negotiations to see how give and take works.
Seriously? For so long the XJT MEC has been crying 'No contract with PBS' and now you want to call out the ASA MEC?

The ASA MEC keeps shooting down SmartPref because the SmartPref programmers were unwilling or unable to fix the software to deal with several issues. The XJT MEC does not support PBS in the first place but seems to have sold you on an unproven, sub par program.

Take a look at the industry as a whole. Airline pilot groups with Flightline have positive outlooks on PBS. Airline pilot groups without Flightline generally do not.

Originally Posted by Nevets
This is directly caused by the ASA MEC giving management their "flight line or no merger" ultimatum. You want unity? Tell your MEC to drop their ultimatum and get on board with smartpref in order to continue back on joint negotiations.
If the XJT MEC had not held the line on so many areas, we could have had a contract by now. Retro pay, no PBS, our work rules or no work rules, etc. Unfortunately, the XJT MEC's inflexibility made the bed we are currently laying in.

Originally Posted by Ted Striker
100% burn it down if they try a pay cut. I'll leave the industry before I help bring it down any further than it already has gone.
Burn it down if we don't get retro pay. Burn it down if we get PBS. When the time comes, 90% say burn it down but 85% vote for cuts.
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Old 01-17-2013 | 03:04 AM
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Originally Posted by GlobeTreker
I don't have such a burning desire to fly an airplane that I would subject myself the the wages Pinnacle just voted in. I would rather watch my airline burn. I plan on getting out of the industry and maybe flight instruction part time for fun if we get Pinnacled. I find it sad most of you voted to come sit short call reserve for less than I made flight instructing. Delta isn't hiring this year. There is a excellent track record of flow throughs not working out. I think between Compass and Pinnacle there will be way more promises tan jobs for a long time even if Delta doesn't back out on their promises.

Congratulations on being such cheap *****s. To the Pinnacle guys who voted no, I'm truly sorry you are surrounded by weaklings.
Welcome to the 15% club. You'll be comforted to know the future of your industry is safely in the hands of spineless whiners.
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Old 01-17-2013 | 06:10 AM
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Originally Posted by What
I work for L-GoJet

Things are really turning around in this industry, the GoJet guys are making fun of the other regionals now! All Pinnacle's fault, soon GoJet guys will be calling the rest of us bottom feeders.

Fyi. Legacy means : of, relating to, or being a previous or outdated.

When guys here say Legacy they are referring to the "old" or formerly known. When we call airlines Legacy such as AA is because of how long they've been in operation and compared to the competition they are Legacy or the remaining ones. But you work at GoJet so I am not expecting much out of you![/QUOTE]


Thanks for clearing that up. It makes complete sense now.
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Old 01-17-2013 | 06:44 AM
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The ASA pilots supported Pinnacle.

Wonder how he feels about that now ?


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Old 01-17-2013 | 07:02 AM
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this will not be a concessionary contract or there will be no contract. I can live with what i have and have the ability to feed and live quite well without this industry. That's called thinking ahead
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Old 01-17-2013 | 07:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar


The ASA pilots supported Pinnacle.

Wonder how he feels about that now ?

He didn't seem optimistic about much when I stopped him in the lounge recently. Certainly didn't share in the bravado ASA pilots have been afflicted with on and off since the merger was announced.
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Old 01-17-2013 | 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Ted Striker
100% burn it down if they try a pay cut. I'll leave the industry before I help bring it down any further than it already has gone.
You will not have the option to vote on a pay rate. Your MEC will do it for you.
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Old 01-17-2013 | 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
How is it that paper bid vs PBS is the biggest issue for the ASA/XJT MECs? There are far bigger issues to worry about.
They haven't even gotten to the financial cuts to the XE side yet. You think this is a stumbling block just wait.

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Old 01-17-2013 | 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by DontRelaxScope
That's what this forum portrays is the largest issue, but it's not. It's only a small issue, there are other items the 2 MEC's couldn't be farther apart on, most center around $.
There are only a few items the MECs are apart on BUT when it comes to ASA management wanting financial cuts you can bet XE items will be at the top of the list after the 9E deal.
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