Fine by me. Just stating facts and letting the poster know who is preventing unity, the ASA MEC and their ultimatum. Like I said, go ahead and keep it up, we will all find out what the final outcome of the company negotiating dual class RJ rates. My guess is that it would end up worse for the ASA side.

No, just saying that its the ASA MEC who has turned down every single idea to get this PBS issue resolved.

Only for the ASA MEC. They have literally set a flight line PBS or no merger ultimatum. They have tuned down ways to move forward because they are being intransigent, like they've been from the beginning.

 

How is backing SmartPref and considering nothing else any less of an ultimatum? Suprisingly the MEC is doing exactly what we want by backing Flightline. We have already been through this debate. We have already looked at the options. Why would we go through it again when we have already chosen?

 

· Globalization: In a globalized system such as SmartPref, for the globally constrained pilots, seniority can be overlooked if the solution does not meet the Company’s requirements. Even though a pilot may be senior enough to hold certain trips bid, those trips may go to another pilot because it could be required to complete the overall global solution. In a non-Global system like PrefBid, just as with Hard-Line bidding, pilot’s bids are not compared to anyone else’s bid when awarding their schedule. A big misconception about Flightline is that it “globalizes” with manual intervention, that assertion is incorrect.

· Credit Window Control: Global systems can easily restrict pilot earnings and schedule quality by limiting the credit hours a pilot can obtain. Pilots will lose money if the averages are constrained to 75 hours. Pilot surveys have shown individual needs for credit vary, with the averages being 80-85 hours credit. What other employee groups are forced to take a 20% pay cut from month to month based on the Company’s desires?

· Customization and System Faults: Here are a few:
1) Currently, CDOs cannot be broken out and awarded as a pure CDO line in the SmartPref system. Absent this capability, pilots could easily end up with a CDO adjacent to a 4 day trip.
2) SmartPref does not have multiple bid sheets and does not have an unstack bid sheet. Lack of multiple bid sheets could easily result in pilots being awarded trips that they did not desire.
3) SmartPref cannot currently extend vacation, whereas it is possible with PrefBid and Hard-Line bidding.


So L-XJT wants a system that doesn't respect seniority, allows the company to control your credit / pay each month more than you yourself can with flightline, makes it so we get less days off during vacation, etc. For a pilot group who doesn't want to take concessions, smartpref is a concession in itself, and a hell of a big one resulting in direct reductions in pay and QOL.

I dont have to have flightline, come up with a system and call it "L-XJT PBS" for all I care, but don't propose something that cuts my pay, time off, and seniority.

 

Because of how many freaking lifers we have, that's why.

 

Have any of you crj guys actually read the PBS report put out by the l-XJT scheduling committee? Has you mec come up with a comparison on anything other than flight line? Here's the way I see it and may be wrong. The Asa side has a pride problem. They sold you on flight line that it was the best thing out there. Here come XJT scheduling telling you that smart pref is not only better but can do way more than the crap you guys like so much. Your flight line could be so much better but your work rules suck ass. Our line bidding is a pain in the transition but our work rules are better than most majors. And the guys that are hell bent on keeping flight line are on full time alpa flight loss. 5 guys to do flight line? We have less and actually have to build lines. Also think about who runs this thing. Senior guys who don't want to give up anything but they don't realize that they are senior and their QOL won't be affected. Before you guys start pointing fingers just look in house first. You didn't buy us so get over it. Time to get a jcba and a sli. If we don't that's fine since l-XJT is making money and your aren't. Plus you work for delta and they will someday piece your flying out since you are not cost competitive.

 

[QUOTE=Nevets;1332113]Fine by me. Just stating facts and letting the poster know who is preventing unity, the ASA MEC and their ultimatum. Like I said, go ahead and keep it up, we will all find out what the final outcome of the company negotiating dual class RJ rates. My guess is that it would end up worse for the ASA side.

You guys do realize this is just one big game for management dont you... CT is probably laughing his A off reading this thread. Seriously think about as upper management............................ Both groups can't agree, it's fine with them. Most of the synergies are already realized. They are now coming to you as a whipsaw. Skywest guys already have a higher hourly then ASA so it's no problem for them to pay a few dollars more. That said, ASA and XJET 50 payscales are almost the same. What do you think you could negotiate for 70 seat rates that would be more cost competetive then asa or skywest... It's true you guys have some awesome QOL stuff in your contract that we all want and should fight for as a unified group. Those QOL improvements cost money and in general your contract is a little more costly then ours. Sooooo all that said, You would have to undercut ASA if you think you are going to "put the screws" to us...Is that what the intent of your mec is? If it is then we have two mecs that have totally been beaten by management.

In closing, you all look like bickering children. That's how management looks at it too. I'm almost 100 percent sure that this whole negotiating rates is so that they can get what they want out of a combined contract or create one of the most epic whipsaws of all time, all because some grumpy middle aged men never learned to compromise. Saying things like "go ahead and keep it up" and management hates your side more makes BH cry tears of happiness. Skywest may just be starting the most epic union busting campaign of all time.

skyw/xjet/asa.... The only way the pilots will advance is through 1 list, one contract, and one company.

 

Time to get a jcba and a sli. If we don't that's fine since l-XJT is making money and your aren't. Plus you work for delta and they will someday piece your flying out since you are not cost competitive.[/QUOTE]

See again more idiotic posting.

1. What the hell is l-xjt or l-asa... we aren't an F'ing legacy, there is no legacy involved with regionals.

2. It's one combined company on a single ops certificate. XJET combined really hasn't made any money at all since the merger but the combined company may return to profitability sometime this year....

3. You work work for delta too man. It's funny i swear when I leave atl in an RJ, and im following an ERJ, the guy in front of me says acey too. Now you work for AMR/USA too..... and also for SKYW.

 

See again more idiotic posting.

1. What the hell is l-xjt or l-asa... we aren't an F'ing legacy, there is no legacy involved with regionals.

2. It's one combined company on a single ops certificate. XJET combined really hasn't made any money at all since the merger but the combined company may return to profitability sometime this year....

3. You work work for delta too man. It's funny i swear when I leave atl in an RJ, and im following an ERJ, the guy in front of me says acey too. Now you work for AMR/USA too..... and also for SKYW.[/QUOTE]

I work for L-GoJet

 

hahaha!

woh, don't quote me as somebody else there.

 

I work for L-GoJet

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Things are really turning around in this industry, the GoJet guys are making fun of the other regionals now! All Pinnacle's fault, soon GoJet guys will be calling the rest of us bottom feeders.

Fyi. Legacy means : of, relating to, or being a previous or outdated.

When guys here say Legacy they are referring to the "old" or formerly known. When we call airlines Legacy such as AA is because of how long they've been in operation and compared to the competition they are Legacy or the remaining ones. But you work at GoJet so I am not expecting much out of you!