US Airways-American merger. Good or bad?
08-17-2013, 06:53 AM
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Shot down by AE MEC (never given to pilot vote). I do not know if a B-Scale was ever officially proposed to PSA and/or if it was rejected. My understanding is PSA MEC is still in negotiations with US Air regarding large RJs
08-17-2013, 09:24 AM
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You guys crack me up. What do you think regional pay rates are?
B-Scale. ALPA National was complicit in all of it.
So ALPA had to be forced by means of a grass roots effort to mitigate Parker's one stop B scale shop around. When the reason you are in this position is Pinnacle's C scale.
Just cracks me up. Every time.
B-Scale. ALPA National was complicit in all of it.
So ALPA had to be forced by means of a grass roots effort to mitigate Parker's one stop B scale shop around. When the reason you are in this position is Pinnacle's C scale.
Just cracks me up. Every time.
majors like, because it makes the pool of money that the major airline has to pay them with larger.
08-17-2013, 10:12 AM
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08-17-2013, 12:13 PM
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You guys crack me up. What do you think regional pay rates are?
B-Scale. ALPA National was complicit in all of it.
So ALPA had to be forced by means of a grass roots effort to mitigate Parker's one stop B scale shop around. When the reason you are in this position is Pinnacle's C scale.
Just cracks me up. Every time.
B-Scale. ALPA National was complicit in all of it.
So ALPA had to be forced by means of a grass roots effort to mitigate Parker's one stop B scale shop around. When the reason you are in this position is Pinnacle's C scale.
Just cracks me up. Every time.
No, alpa put a"stake through the heart" of the b scale remember? What percentage of domestic flying is done by regionals again? 56%?
08-17-2013, 07:21 PM
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Did you take a moment to think about what you just typed? Regional wages are a huge downpressure on major wages... they played a major factor in the bankruptcy concessions. I have yet to ever encounter a major airline pilot speak of this just impeccable logic you used there.
08-18-2013, 06:42 AM
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Did you take a moment to think about what you just typed? Regional wages are a huge downpressure on major wages... they played a major factor in the bankruptcy concessions. I have yet to ever encounter a major airline pilot speak of this just impeccable logic you used there.
08-18-2013, 07:11 AM
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Did you take a moment to think about what you just typed? Regional wages are a huge downpressure on major wages... they played a major factor in the bankruptcy concessions. I have yet to ever encounter a major airline pilot speak of this just impeccable logic you used there.
If scope had not been relaxed, the regionals would be nearing their death right now, since 50 seat RJ's are, for the most part, are no longer economically sustainable. Frequency would decrease, and equipment size would increase at a quicker rate, and these aircraft would have to go to mainline due to proper scope.
I don't agree with makersmarc's statement, but I don't think you quite thought about what you just typed either. It sounded like the typical "regional pilots working for peanuts ruined this career" mentality. Unfortunately, this mindset is pretty ignorant considering other events caused the expansion of regionals/b-scales to begin with.
08-18-2013, 07:46 AM
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The majors have costs, and if those costs go down more money is available to other labor units to haggle over at negotiations. The lift that the regionals supply is a cost. If DL saves money on regional lift, this concept is not lost by those negotiating for other labor groups. In other words, more pie to divvy up among the remaining players.
Another example would be the pay rates for MD88 vs the pay for B757. The company says that they can pay 100/hour to the MD88 pilots and 125 to the B757 drivers. Of course, we can pay more to the MD88 pilots if the B757 pilots will take less. Or, the other way around. Since they (both groups of pilots) are on the same seniority list an effort has to be made to keep both groups happy. It's all about dividing up the pie.
Another example would be the pay rates for MD88 vs the pay for B757. The company says that they can pay 100/hour to the MD88 pilots and 125 to the B757 drivers. Of course, we can pay more to the MD88 pilots if the B757 pilots will take less. Or, the other way around. Since they (both groups of pilots) are on the same seniority list an effort has to be made to keep both groups happy. It's all about dividing up the pie.
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08-18-2013, 08:00 AM
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Did you take a moment to think about what you just typed? Regional wages are a huge downpressure on major wages... they played a major factor in the bankruptcy concessions. I have yet to ever encounter a major airline pilot speak of this just impeccable logic you used there.
Didn't Delta management just place downward pressure, yet again, on the regionals within the DCI portfolio? Delta is leading the charge in this war on regional feed cost. Instead of realizing the long term effects on themselves, many Delta pilots I have spoken with see this as due justice and payback for the last decade. There is a reason Anderson is doing this, and it isn't that he hates RJ pilots.
08-18-2013, 08:45 AM
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80 CLAMP, Jumpers comment is spot on. Lee Moak was AT THE TABLE in the Pinnacle concessions debacle. ALPA rammed it down their throats. So it would appear your logic is less than impeccable... hope you're enjoying that profit sharing check as RA brags this will be Delta's most profitable year EVER (on the backs of regional pilot concessions).
The concecssions are increasing the pot for mgmt, not for us. It is also reducing their exposure to inefficient fee for departure carriers. That's good for all of us long term.
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