Captain Tony

You say "we" as though you speak for all mainline pilots. Ego much? Yet you made my point for me.

In the bold text, you state you're against "inefficient" FFD carriers? So you support the race to the bottom, as long as the profit sharing checks keep coming. Nice. Yay ALPA. Way to treat your "union brothers" by introducing sweatshop competition to put them out of work.

I have personally spoken to many mainline pilots who are greatly enjoying the demise of the regionals and have used the exact quote makers mentions of "payback for the early 2000s".

And you didn't offer rebuttal to the FACT that ALPA National negotiated and recommended the Pinnacle concessions, which undercut every other regional contract out there, re-igniting the race to the bottom. I submit that ALPA (and the mainline pilots running it, who you claim to speak for) have realized that if they can't scope RJs out, their next best move is to choke them to death. Because than, as said above, ALPA Mainline can cut the pie as they see fit. Have you ever attended a BOD meeting? A FFD Task Force meeting? I have. This has been ALPAs goal for at least the last 10 years. "Taking it Back".

80ktsClamp

You're getting worse. The "we" statement was a factual statement on the DL pilots and our contract 2012. Nowhere in that did I give an opinion nor claim to speak for anyone. See where you swinged and missed? Pretty funny, though.

I, and many others, are wholly against what Moak did. We are seeing the regional bubble burst. I would have rather let them die on the vine and the flying get siphoned back to mainline, but moak is helping the system continue by helping them negotiate cheaper wages.

N2Core

Nailed it with this.

Saabs

You jelly he's at mainline bro ?

Cheddar

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JetRage

Haha! Hilarious.....because working for nothing and watching people get put out on the street is soooooo funny.

fatsopilot

I've always been of the opinion that regional pilots subsidize the salaries of mainline pilots as well. The basic question, if all regional pilots had their salaries increased by 30% what would happen to the salaries of mainline pilots? Why didn't the Delta MEC negotiate a contract that took back ALL regional flying? Because they would have had to trade pay to get that flying back. I'm sure that upper management is able to line their pockets also but on some level Delta is able to pay their employees what they do because they save money with outsourcing.

80ktsClamp

DL pilot pay does have a correlation to outsourcing allowed: The more outsourcing of RJs allowed, the lower the mainline pilot pay. Now that outsourcing is being reduced (no pathway working to elimination or near elimination like I wanted), pay is returning.

While it feels good to ask why we didnt eliminate all outsourcing , that is emotional and not founded in reality. DL mgmt will never give up all outsourcing... that is priceless. Contract 2012 was a base hit at best. Some pay was increased, some regional flying was reduced (what mgmt already obviously already wanted to reduce it to), profit sharing was reduced, some workrules were improved, some were lessened.

More power is given to the mainline pilot group as outsourced flying is reduced, thus more power in negotiations to increase pilot pay. Allowing the proliferation of RJs paved the way to the biggest setbacks in the history of pilot pay. That is a fact. Now that they have served their purpose, they are being reduced to a more realistic level.

I can see how you can come to a hypothesis like you did, but when you look at the big picture it falls short. It could be argued that was one of the reasons by mainline unions for allowing of more RJs leading up to the year 2000 major pay increases. That massively increased outsourcing subsequently helped to slash pay in half and purge retirements, thus proving the hypothesis false.

Captain Tony

I'm getting worse? That's all you have? A passive aggressive attack? Way to stay above the fray Mr Moderator.

You said "we mainline pilots". Go re-read your post.

I'm glad you didn't support Moak's decision to put Pinnacle on life support. But I bet you ran straight to the bank with the check it provided.

(Oh, and it's "swung" and missed, not "swinged"). Plus dodging the questions by claiming they're invalid is the weakest of debate tactics. Swing and a miss.

Captain Tony

They did. But they're going to do it by pricing regional pilots out of the game. That way they give up nothing. Can't scope them out? Park them by making the pay so low no one wants to fly them.