Originally Posted by Prancinghorse (Post 1487003)

Wow!! That's a ton of work!

Have you ever heard of internet porn? You should check it out man :)

Good idea but there is ALWAYS someone who will do the job for for less!

Originally Posted by rj2driver (Post 1487138)

This is why RJ pilots will remain bottom feeders. The OP has put in quite a lot of time coming up with some really good points, but can barely get support here. The RJ pilot group has been properly conditioned and whipped into obedience and submission. If I stood in front of the terminal in ORD with a picket to draw attention to my 28k a year pay(6 years, 2 airlines), how many of you fellow RJ pilots in the same boat would join me? Exactly. None. Reason? Fear. We have plenty of leverage to DEMAND better terms, but as we are unable to come together as a group (let alone on this forum) things will not change. Just lots and lots of talk. Which is why I don't post here very much, all we do is talk. So what am I doing about it you ask? Well, hopefully by November I will be flying 737s in the desert. Hate to drag wifey and the boy over there, and I'm gonna miss Cleveland center, but I'm breaking out of this chain gang. Thank you for reading.
BTW OP, Bravo Zulu.

Originally Posted by yimke (Post 1486985)

Great idea but no execution. We have a hard enough time getting one union between all the regionals. Plus, there will ALWAYS be sellouts to this profession. The consequences of doing such are not strict enough.

All it takes is another GoJet, Independence Air, or created company to low ball with promise of quick upgrades. Pilots will and have joined these companies despite being threatened of being a blacklist/scabs. Scabs don't care, or determine that THEIR financial needs require them to have a job. Being blacklisted to deny jumpseats/no fly does not have a big enough impact on them. In case of a denied jumpseat, they can just move to base. For a no/fly list, it does not effect the individual. They are simply reassigned another pilot, that does not know.

The other problem is crews do not enforce the blacklist/scabs. Many are afraid of being punished by their company. The other issue is lateral jumpseat agreements with loss of jumpseat privlages. Other people say "You are childish" for denying a jumpseat. However, you reap what you sow, IMO.

Originally Posted by yimke (Post 1486985)

Great idea but no execution. We have a hard enough time getting one union between all the regionals. Plus, there will ALWAYS be sellouts to this profession. The consequences of doing such are not strict enough.

All it takes is another GoJet, Independence Air, or created company to low ball with promise of quick upgrades. Pilots will and have joined these companies despite being threatened of being a blacklist/scabs. Scabs don't care, or determine that THEIR financial needs require them to have a job. Being blacklisted to deny jumpseats/no fly does not have a big enough impact on them. In case of a denied jumpseat, they can just move to base. For a no/fly list, it does not effect the individual. They are simply reassigned another pilot, that does not know.

The other problem is crews do not enforce the blacklist/scabs. Many are afraid of being punished by their company. The other issue is lateral jumpseat agreements with loss of jumpseat privlages. Other people say "You are childish" for denying a jumpseat. However, you reap what you sow, IMO.

Originally Posted by rj2driver (Post 1487138)

This is why RJ pilots will remain bottom feeders. The OP has put in quite a lot of time coming up with some really good points, but can barely get support here. The RJ pilot group has been properly conditioned and whipped into obedience and submission. If I stood in front of the terminal in ORD with a picket to draw attention to my 28k a year pay(6 years, 2 airlines), how many of you fellow RJ pilots in the same boat would join me? Exactly. None. Reason? Fear. We have plenty of leverage to DEMAND better terms, but as we are unable to come together as a group (let alone on this forum) things will not change. Just lots and lots of talk. Which is why I don't post here very much, all we do is talk. So what am I doing about it you ask? Well, hopefully by November I will be flying 737s in the desert. Hate to drag wifey and the boy over there, and I'm gonna miss Cleveland center, but I'm breaking out of this chain gang. Thank you for reading.
BTW OP, Bravo Zulu.

Originally Posted by yimke (Post 1486985)

Great idea but no execution. We have a hard enough time getting one union between all the regionals. Plus, there will ALWAYS be sellouts to this profession. The consequences of doing such are not strict enough.

All it takes is another GoJet, Independence Air, or created company to low ball with promise of quick upgrades. Pilots will and have joined these companies despite being threatened of being a blacklist/scabs. Scabs don't care, or determine that THEIR financial needs require them to have a job. Being blacklisted to deny jumpseats/no fly does not have a big enough impact on them. In case of a denied jumpseat, they can just move to base. For a no/fly list, it does not effect the individual. They are simply reassigned another pilot, that does not know.

The other problem is crews do not enforce the blacklist/scabs. Many are afraid of being punished by their company. The other issue is lateral jumpseat agreements with loss of jumpseat privlages. Other people say "You are childish" for denying a jumpseat. However, you reap what you sow, IMO.