skyhigh127

- ONE THREAD TO RULE THEM ALL -


There are a lot of good posts here on this forum about different pilot bases, airplanes, companies, interviews and training to name a few. However none of these details really matter at all in this industry of aviation if:


a. The Pay - Is not that of a Professional Pilot (Example - Current First Officer Pay
can be approx. 9.00 per hour and about 12 cents per passenger per flight hour !)


b. The Days Off- Are an extremely small number - or in another words an excessive
amount of time away from home (2-3 weeks approx./19-20 days) in
order to achieve such a small level of compensation.



I want to propose the following corrections for these two issues of both
Pay and Days Off to bring the industry up to a fair and correct standard f
or airline pilots especially in the regional airlines:


For Pay - I Propose the Following:


1. 1st- Year Pay (Or at least by the 2nd year) - First Officer = 85,000 $
2. 1st - Year Pay(Or at least by the 2nd year) - Captain = 115,000 $

(1st - Year Pay - First Officer Pay is calculated as follows)

A. Average 4-year College Graduate - 2013...........................45,000 $

B. Additional schooling above college such as graduate
school, trade school or in this case, flight school ...............25,000 $

C. Travel pay on job............................................... ...........15,000 $

This gives us a Grand Total of.....85,000 $ for 1st Year First Officer Pay



(1st - Year Pay - Captain Pay is calculated as follows)

A. Take 1st Year Officer Pay....................................85,000 $
B. Add an increase percentage for Captain Pay as
per Industry Standards.......................................30 ,000 $

This gives us a Grand Total of.......115,000 $ for 1st Year Captain Pay


(You might Say to Yourself how is all of this Achieved? I will show you below and it is quite easily done with almost no or very little expense for the passenger.)



By adding a simple fee of 5.00 - 10.00 per passenger per flight leg, Each Flight Crew will be able to generate by a very conservative estimate of between 10,000 - 20,000 additional dollars per month. This monthly total comes to 120,000 - 240,000 extra per year ! This extra revenue is then added to the current pay of the pilots which will then bring them up to the standard minimum level as proposed from above.
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For Days Off - I Propose the Following:



1. A Minimum of 15 days off for every 30 day month / or a Minimum of 16 days off for all 31 day months - this is regardless of Seniority.

(Remember this is the starting minimum for all Pilots from Day One.
This is very much needed. Remember that 15 days on the job
can represent being away from home over half the month or close to 6
months away from home per year. To the average person this is a
huge amount of time away from home, however for many pilots with
only 11 days off or less per month, this represents a huge
improvement !)



In Addition to the Days off Proposal from Above - other items for scheduling to consider would be:


1. Create super efficient trips when able

2. Give 1-2 days of Personal Time off per Month (That can be used
or banked)

3. Each Pilot regardless of seniority gets at least 1-2 weekends off
per month

4. Each Pilot regardless of seniority gets at least 1-2 holidays off per year (Christmas, Easter, Thanksgiving, July 4th, Labor Day, New Years Day)

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So Now that we have the Proposals of:

　

1. 85.000 $ Pay for First Officers - First Year Pay (Minimum - at least by
the second year)


2. 115,000 $ Pay for Captains - First Year Pay (Minimum - at least by
the second year)

3. 15-16 days minimum off per month (30 day month / 31 day month)



And One of the Solutions to Achieve this is:


　

1. Adding 5.00 - 10.00 $ approximately Per Passenger Per Flight Leg



We can now start on the road to achieve this ! And now is the best time ever to get this going because of:



1. Pilot Shortage - both now and coming !


2. Exceptional Pilot Leverage - that which is available !


3. Current and Extreme Conditions of :

a. Lost Wages Over the Years (Hundreds of Thousands of Dollars
Possibly - Example, if the job is worth
85,000 per year for a First Officer and
he or she is making just 30,000 per year
and has worked for a total of 7 years,
this represents a minimum of Lost Wages
of up to a staggering 385,000 !)



b. An Unfair Lack of Days Off and time at Home and with the Family
(Away for Approximately 2-3 weeks away from Home per Month !)



c. Present Work Conditions (Poor Scheduling which has been Inducing:
Chronic Fatigue, Adverse Work Conditions , Compromised Health, Family
and Social Issues, etc.)



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The Only Way to Achieve these Proposals and for What is Truly Just and Fair for our Profession is that all of the Pilots must come together !




I am thus Proposing that all of the Regional Pilots come together and .................................................. ............Form One Group !




Not only will this help the Regionals but it can help to start the process of helping the Major Airlines as well in which many of us wish to get to one day.

　


　
I call upon all Regional Pilots, including but not limited to:




Skywest


ASA


ExpressJet


American Eagle


Mesa


Republic


Air Wisconsin


Horizon


Pinnacle


PSA


Piedmont


Trans States


Island Air


Great Lakes


Silver Airways


Compass


All Others (As not mentioned from above)

　

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Let me know what you think and lets begin a starting point together of communication to form One Pilot Group for all of us, our families and all future pilots as well !

Mesabah

This idea gets posted here about once a year.

skillett

The first regional to offer this would lose all their contract flying, go into the red and bankrupt. If all the regionals got together at the same time, which won't happen. The mainline carriers will just do the flying themselves at a much lower cost structure. (See ERJ 190 pay rate at US/AMR) That's a larger airplane than a scoped regional jet (76 seats), and the pay is less than stellar, but better than current regional pay. I think the world will have to offer that someday to get pilots wanting to be pilots again, but right now, not going to happen.

Salukipilot4590

25K for flight fees?

Who's high?

Mesabah

While take home pay has gone down, overall compensation has gone up, you can thank the insane rising cost of healthcare for that.

PeopleMover90

alright! yeah! woohoo!

Start a new industry from an anonymous internet forum, hazaah!!!!!!


Good luck with that

yimke

Great idea but no execution. We have a hard enough time getting one union between all the regionals. Plus, there will ALWAYS be sellouts to this profession. The consequences of doing such are not strict enough.

All it takes is another GoJet, Independence Air, or created company to low ball with promise of quick upgrades. Pilots will and have joined these companies despite being threatened of being a blacklist/scabs. Scabs don't care, or determine that THEIR financial needs require them to have a job. Being blacklisted to deny jumpseats/no fly does not have a big enough impact on them. In case of a denied jumpseat, they can just move to base. For a no/fly list, it does not effect the individual. They are simply reassigned another pilot, that does not know.

The other problem is crews do not enforce the blacklist/scabs. Many are afraid of being punished by their company. The other issue is lateral jumpseat agreements with loss of jumpseat privlages. Other people say "You are childish" for denying a jumpseat. However, you reap what you sow, IMO.

higney85

And I want my friggin PONY!

Mason32

One list, one contract, one voice....

Prancinghorse

Wow!! That's a ton of work!

Have you ever heard of internet porn? You should check it out man

Good idea but there is ALWAYS someone who will do the job for for less!