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Old 12-13-2007, 09:56 PM   #1
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Default Over 60 Check Airman and Instructors Coming Back Too?

My buddy at CAL said that all the over 60 training center instructors and over 60 check airman believe that they will be coming back to the line.
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Old 12-13-2007, 10:09 PM   #2
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My buddy at CAL said that all the over 60 training center instructors and over 60 check airman believe that they will be coming back to the line.
Not at Delta. We covered that in a recent LOA.
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The bills I saw had retroactivity specifically denied. It also had provisions to prevent people from suing to get back on the list. Maybe it'll be unconstitutional.
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The bills I saw had retroactivity specifically denied. It also had provisions to prevent people from suing to get back on the list. Maybe it'll be unconstitutional.
Not worth the paper they're written on. You cannot be compelled to prospectively waive future rights in accordance with federal law.

That said, I would foresee considerable litigation over issues such as this, because, for instance, should a company be required to re-hire, re-train and line assign a pilot who is, say, 64 and has been retired for four years? That pilot will just get out of training and IOE when she/he again retires--all of this at huge cost. So yes, there's bound to be some issues to resolve.
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The bills I saw had retroactivity specifically denied. It also had provisions to prevent people from suing to get back on the list. Maybe it'll be unconstitutional.
You may be right. That reeks of an "equal protection" violation.

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You may be right. That reeks of an "equal protection" violation.
Why would equal protection matter now? The age 60 rule has been unfair, biased, and without merit since implementation.
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Why would equal protection matter now? The age 60 rule has been unfair, biased, and without merit since implementation.
According to who, you? How about letting someone else have a career? Is 35years not enough? You got to have yours knowing full well when you hit 60 it'd be time to retire........ Their comes a time and place when it's time to move over and enjoy life..............that is if you have one, which it appears many do not. If you've been sitting on the sidelines and not putting away for the future, your lack of financial planning is your problem, not mine. Sorry, I wish they'd make it 55.
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The article I read stated that retired pilots could come back to line flying but that the airlines did not have to give the pilots their senority back. So I guess if a 62 year old retired captain wants to come back and sit right seat on reserve for the next three years thats his deal.
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Why would equal protection matter now? The age 60 rule has been unfair, biased, and without merit since implementation.

Yes, oh great one, you're right! In fact age 65 is unfair, biased and without merit too. In fact age 71 or 77 are unfair, unbiased and without merit. Why have any retirement age mandated?

This has always been only about money. Stop trying to justify it by inventing an equal treatment under the law sob story. When you fly past 60 make sure you look at your FO, smile and tell him you got yours.
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According to who, you? How about letting someone else have a career? Is 35years not enough? You got to have yours knowing full well when you hit 60 it'd be time to retire........ Their comes a time and place when it's time to move over and enjoy life..............that is if you have one, which it appears many do not. If you've been sitting on the sidelines and not putting away for the future, your lack of financial planning is your problem, not mine. Sorry, I wish they'd make it 55.
Whether you have a career or not is your choice. However, your premise about those who have a 35 year career is faulty. My career with the airline, as well as many others, has been a bit shorter. Only now, if I so desire, it will be 5 years longer than I had originally planned. Thank you, but I'll decide the proper time and place to "move over and enjoy life". Funny thing is, unlike many who use this board as a whinning wall, I am enjoying life now. You see I still enjoy going to work and for the most part enjoy the people I work with.

Lack of, or one's prowess in financial planning is a non-starter and not germane to the "age 60" argument. Net worth should not be a criteron for retirement. If it was many of our country's most productive citizens would be forced to retire prematurely.

If it is your desire to leave at 55 then you are free to leave; no one has a gun to your head forcing you to stay. So stop your whinning. In 15 or 20 years people will be touting the vision of those who saw this change through.
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