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seafeye 09-27-2013 04:08 PM

If the majors didn't want us to make regionals a career then they should stop sending main line size airplanes our way.

But now they got their "C" scale….

It's **** poor management that looks to rip labors income for profits.

TMoney 09-27-2013 04:41 PM


Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 1491939)
I'm not at PSA so please enlighten us.

1) The quoted article says that PSA did not lower pay but simply cap it at 12/4 years respectively. If regional airlines are supposed to be a step in a career and not a career in itself (not reality in the last 8 years, I know but everyone's hopes) why is this bad?

2) What exactly are the reasons why people are so angry?

Ask a 4 year FO who is about to go to year 5 if this is a pay cut? Ask anyone who is now having to give up more of their pay check to health care if this is a pay cut. Then ask why us airways group, that made 409 million pretax profit in the 2nd quarter this year, needs pilots who already make nothing to give up more? Because of greed! Who wouldn't be upset. And the pilots at psa are either ignorant or ok with greedy management taking more from them. There are pages and pages of people making these exact points over and over again. There is the stop the whipsaw web page and Facebook page stating these same things and I'm blown away people still get on here and ask what the big deal is? Do just an hour of research and listen to the numbers of pilots being vocal about banding together to stop the whipsaw. It will make you more informed and hopefully convince you this is a fight worth fighting for. Regardless of what airline you work for, we can all agree to no more concessions so we can all start getting paid more...well except for that 61 percent at psa who don't want a pay raise. I feel the worst for the psa guys who tried and voted no. I hope to see them come over to Skywest to help us negotiate a raise.

Avroman 09-27-2013 04:47 PM


Originally Posted by WarpSpeed (Post 1491996)
It seems as though all the young FO's ask, "why is the old geezer still flying MY regional jet?" It's like they think all you have to do is apply to a major/cargo and you're hired. In the meantime you might not have any movement at your regional and you are stuck at $42 until you can upgrade because you maxed out at 4 years. Do you really believe that's all a pilot who is responsible for all those lives is worth??? Just because it's a regional doesn't make those lives any less significant, you still have to be able to fly a jet. Your pay stagnates and yet inflation just keeps on truckin'. If something happens to the captain (United pilot has a heart attack) and suddenly YOU become the only person who can bring that plane down safely and you want to know why we're upset about caps on already low pay??? And I believe the B scale pay for new hires IS a pay cut, course I could be wrong but don't think I am.

Are you seriously asking this? You obviously are not a professional pilot or your daddy is paying all your bills.


Or, like Bendover Air, you've been a captain for a couple years finally and now find yourself getting downgraded where 9 years at the company will now net you $30000/yr max with very little chance of ever getting back in the captain seat.

BE19Pilot 09-27-2013 05:00 PM

Capping pay for FOs at 4 years...It defies logic that these people approved that kind of a contract...

toomanyrjs 09-27-2013 05:46 PM


Originally Posted by BE19Pilot (Post 1492071)
Capping pay for FOs at 4 years...It defies logic that these people approved that kind of a contract...

Republic pilots proudly set that precedent.

Paid2fly 09-27-2013 07:35 PM


Originally Posted by WarpSpeed (Post 1491996)
It seems as though all the young FO's ask, "why is the old geezer still flying MY regional jet?" It's like they think all you have to do is apply to a major/cargo and you're hired. In the meantime you might not have any movement at your regional and you are stuck at $42 until you can upgrade because you maxed out at 4 years. Do you really believe that's all a pilot who is responsible for all those lives is worth??? Just because it's a regional doesn't make those lives any less significant, you still have to be able to fly a jet. Your pay stagnates and yet inflation just keeps on truckin'. If something happens to the captain (United pilot has a heart attack) and suddenly YOU become the only person who can bring that plane down safely and you want to know why we're upset about caps on already low pay??? And I believe the B scale pay for new hires IS a pay cut, course I could be wrong but don't think I am.

Are you seriously asking this? You obviously are not a professional pilot or your daddy is paying all your bills.



Amen brother, well said!

crabinow16 09-27-2013 08:22 PM

Basically if you a 13-17 year CA at PSA you have to apply at mainline or take your current salary for life.

They then make u interview and if you turn the interview down no more raises. If you interview and don't get it they will then tell u why u didn't and then cap your longevity raises.

The jobs are not guaranteed at mainline they only need to hire 25% of their new hires per year from PSA.

CBreezy 09-27-2013 08:31 PM


Originally Posted by WarpSpeed (Post 1491996)
It seems as though all the young FO's ask, "why is the old geezer still flying MY regional jet?" It's like they think all you have to do is apply to a major/cargo and you're hired. In the meantime you might not have any movement at your regional and you are stuck at $42 until you can upgrade because you maxed out at 4 years. Do you really believe that's all a pilot who is responsible for all those lives is worth??? Just because it's a regional doesn't make those lives any less significant, you still have to be able to fly a jet. Your pay stagnates and yet inflation just keeps on truckin'. If something happens to the captain (United pilot has a heart attack) and suddenly YOU become the only person who can bring that plane down safely and you want to know why we're upset about caps on already low pay??? And I believe the B scale pay for new hires IS a pay cut, course I could be wrong but don't think I am.

Are you seriously asking this? You obviously are not a professional pilot or your daddy is paying all your bills.

I am seriously asking this and my daddy doesn't pay my bills. In fact, my career path thus far in my life and education have probably been more satisfying and relevant than yours not to mention that I've been financially independent since I was 18. Just because you have been abused by the industry longer than I have doesn't mean that you are smarter and well read making it so that I have no right to an opinion. If you want to personally insult me like a 12 year old, be my guest. I now discount everything you say as emotional garbage.

Now, from what a read on the website, there is no B-scale. The scale remains intact until the first large RJ arrives on property and only then a cap is put in place. I'm not trying to defend it. I personally wouldn't have voted yes as I know regional pilots get paid less than they should but I can understand why they did. A little job security goes a long way in this business and it appears they feel they got some with the agreement.

I'm just trying to get hard facts and less emotional me, me, me hate that has been spewed. It seems from the intent of the CBA that PSA is trying to prevent an Eagle situation by forcing people out of a career RJ position and into the mainline. If you choose not to go, your pay is frozen.

SUX4U 09-27-2013 08:44 PM


Originally Posted by toomanyrjs (Post 1492090)
Republic pilots proudly set that precedent.

One has to wonder how bad life at Frontier and or home must be to have to lurk in the Regional Pilot forums and try to bad mouth Republic Pilots at any chance possible. I actually kind of feel bad for you. Hopefully life brings you some sort of joy.

BIGRIG 09-27-2013 08:47 PM


Originally Posted by Avroman (Post 1492056)
Or, like Bendover Air, you've been a captain for a couple years finally and now find yourself getting downgraded where 9 years at the company will now net you $30000/yr max with very little chance of ever getting back in the captain seat.

Do you ever stop complaining? You upgraded after 2 years at Mesaba. What do you have to cry about?


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