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Lots of talk about jumpseat wars and that psa pilots are scabs etc. It should be noted that 244 pilots out of approximately 530 voted in favor of this ta.. Thats less than half of us. You guys need to realize that every psa guy/gal you see, 50/50 chance they voted NO, or didnt get to vote at all.

Or didn't bother to vote at all.

so deny every other psa pilot.

Fixed it.......

people that did not vote, essentially voted yes

14% of eligible voters did not vote. I have no idea why. The rest haven't been here a year yet.

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Let's get a list going. Employee #, seniority #, base, etc, to help identify those who chose to stand strong for our profession against management's perpetual war on our livelihood. The rest of the list, well, nothing further needs to be said.

Funny how everyone's a 'NO' voter after a crap TA passes. Time to put money where your mouth is.

Still baffled why anyone voted yes...........................

Y? Because everyone is scared that the future of 50 seaters is bleak.
They voted because less pay is better than no pay.
Personally I'd rather say up yours. But people voted yes because they were afraid of the unknown consequences. I'd rather take the risk. They wouldn't.
I'd lose $500,000 in my career. The seniors would lose 1% for 5 years. That's all. I don't blame them for voting yes. I blame the f/o's who think this will get them the left seat faster. Very shirt sighted

An airline can get new, better equipment on the property without taking a concessionary contract. This idea that the only options were to take the contract or lose the job is outrageous. All airlines have shifted fleet types. SkyWest used to fly nothing but Metroliners. Now they are all gone and our pay scales went up with the addition of Brazilias and now Rjs. They didn't have to reduce the caps on pay rates to 4 and 12 years. They didn't have to raise the health care costs of their employees to do so.

The US Airways group could be happy to give the 175s to their wholly owned regional airlines and also increase the pay scales and share in the massive profits we are starting to see. They could give a performance bonus to the employees on a quarterly basis based upon our profits. They could have offered to pick up the tab for a portion of the employee's health benefits to say thanks for working hard to keep flights operating safely and efficiently through the bankruptcy. If you were the head of US Airways group and you had that 409 million profit for a quarter, what kind of a deal would you approach your employee group with? They did nothing to help share the wealth!!! They are keeping all the money. Worse, they are asking more from the individual. How can anyone be happy with someone willing to give from the poor to the rich??

I know that saying "I'd just quit if my company was that corrupt" is too sweeping a statement. It's a complicated issue and with seniority it is very tough to just quit. That is the point of a union. If I knew that my management was that greedy, I would go straight to my union and tell them to represent us and stick it to management. I would fight back. The yes voters have done no such thing. The union has done no such thing. They all bent over to willingly take it. How does anyone not see this???

The unknown consequences of a no vote could be that nobody agrees to a reduction in pay. Imagine for a second that the Stop The Whipsaw movement gets supported by every regional pilot. Every single one. Every contract sent to any of us that doesn't give us a share of the current profits is rejected. The airlines will be forced to come up with a contract that does have profit sharing or pay raises so that they can get pilots to fly these planes at all. They need these planes flown worse than we need pay cuts. I know it's a lofty and idyllic idea but it's one worth pursuing.

If the PSA pilots came to the STW movement and said we will vote no but we are nervous that the US Airways group will shut us down, we could work together to pressure them to making sure that doesn't happen. Or forcing a contract that requires PSA pilots to be absorbed into Piedmont or Eagle at their previous rates. This is all purely hypothetical and I'm sure I'll hear some abuse about how ridiculous it sounds but it's not entirely out of the question. Pilots are such a specialized labor force that we can hold the power. We can push back at management to stop this whipsaw.

Eagle was supposed to get your airplanes. You stole them from Eagle. You Yes voters need to try to find another way to work with management to stay competitive. There are other options than whipsawing other pilots just like you who are at a different company. You should be ashamed of voting Yes during profitable times. The MECs should be ashamed of letting this get past them to the pilots. I'm glad to see so many pilots speaking out against the Yes voters so they can feel the consequences of their actions. It can be done without name calling or jumpseat wars, however. Reasoned facts and statistics can be used to make that argument. Hopefully we can all band together to make sure this never happens at another regional airline.

They are shirt sighted, as in 4-stripe epaulettes! ;)

I'm proud of those who voted "No".

The votes are in. With 107% of eligible pilots voting 128% voted no.

Please explain how they stole flying that isn't eagles. I'll get the butter for my popcorn.

About what one would expect from a former Colgan pilot. And the popcorn thing is getting a little stale, you couldn't come up with something a little more original?

Doesn't matter to me your all done in my book. More then likely i'll never see any of you but it makes me feel better knowing im doing my part to better this industry.

My advice to you is walk away from this company other good companies are hiring and you would be welcomed

As a personal aside: anytime I hear someone improperly use the 'S' word, it immediately discredits everything they have to say.

I'm sure the Union won't give that information out anytime soon (rightfully so) and it's a foregone conclusion that every pilot you ask will most certainly be a 'No' voter. Why any regional would let them on a jump seat is beyond me.

How anyone could vote yes when everyone's making money is beyond comprehension. Bunch of cowards and deserve to be disliked and looked down upon like mesa, go jets, republic, and endeavor. Enjoy working for less peanuts, you earned it. When you take your tiny checks to the bank, remember management is taking the rest of your check to their bank. Along with all that profit you've been making them I might add.

Thanks! But as you can see even the no voters will be labeled.

That's unfortunate. There really should be a list of guys who stand up for better work conditions, or lack thereof, as was the case with scabs back in the day. There should be a new label for these guys who cower down to management and a list made. People need to be held accountable somehow.

Well, I've witnessed my first PSA jumpseater denied out of BNA. Oh well, I guess.

You think most of us haven't been applying to better places long before this ta was even crafted by management? The tricky part is getting a call. If your advice is walk away from 7 years longevity and come be a year 1 fo at xjt, then thats advice you wouldnt follow and you know it.

While Inc. is a well-run company and I have nothing against Skywest pilots...

Skywest pilots were the first to fly 70 seat jets for 50 seat pay.

Skywest forced their pilots into a HDHP, while ASA/XJT pilots were not due to their CBAs.

Skywest pilots got their biggest raises over the last decade when union talk was strongest, or following contractual gains at peer groups like ASA.

Your company has grown significantly, but its not been in a vacuum...

And the industry has been improved.....o wait.

What a joke.

50/50 shot that guy wasn't a yes voter.

Or didn't vote at all which constitutes a yes vote

Publish a list of "yes" voters then... Congress votes and their vote is displayed for all to see....

Okay, you do understand that you can't vote your first year right? We have lots of new hires.

ding ding ding!!!! all this BS about unity and taking one for the team, until it affect THEM! Yes XJT pilot, how bout showing real unity and letting any PSA/Pinnacle person that quits and gets hired at XJT keep his longevity and seniority? And you do realize, even your almighty ExpressJet would have been considered a bottom feeder at one time.....ask me I worked there.

What airline denied them?

50/50 chance slats or the person she heard it from is "exaggerating" for dramatic effect. Probably got denied for w/b and the CA thought he'd be a tough guy and tell everyone he denied him for being PSA. Big talkers are known to do that. (not you necessarily slat, just in general)

What's your point? I have all the empathy in the world for the "no" voters, but it doesn't change the fact you are part of a union where the majority determined the direction to take the group. all the "no" voters had options to persuade the other side. If there was a question whatsoever as to the outcome of the vote being yes, a push to remove the MEC could have begun immediately. To my knowledge, this didn't happen. I'm sorry if you aren't a believer that the harsh reality is that sometimes there are casualties, hostages, or whatever you want to call them. It sucks, and I wouldn't want to be in the "no" voters shoes, but them's the breaks. Unfortunately, at this point, really the only thing the objectors can do is apologize for the actions of their coworkers. That, and get the ball rolling for an MEC recall, or ALPA decert.

What's stale is regionals claiming they are getting flying "stolen". Yes I flew for Colgan, which was contract carrier much like current day regionals. I'm not an original kinda guy, sorry.

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How bad or worse is this new contract ? Can anyone post some simple facts ?

Whos left?

People like you are 'tarded and are the reason that most everyone in this industry thinks that pilots are dbags.

Well, you can always apply to silver airways, pdt, CommutAir, Great Lakes because apparently they're not a scab airline and doesn't deserve to be disliked and need to be looked up upon.

Changes to health insurance. Not sure how much it will be going up though. Pay caps. F/O's at year 4 ($39.50/hr I think), CA's at year 12 ($90.00 ish). Must apply and interview at the new AA, or have your pay frozen at current longevity (continue to receive contractual raises through 2017). Anyone between year 12-18 now will not get longevity pay increases from current rate, only contractual raises. It's basically a B-scale for anyone who is not at year 18 pay already ($99/hr).

People like me stand up for what's right. The no voters are right there with me.

Really? Butter for popcorn. I like the idea of sharing ideas on the forums but that is so childish. I'm trying to post logical and well developed arguments and I enjoy hearing the same in return. You can't seem to do the same. Anyway, for the sake of other readers who have a sense of professionalism:

Correct me if I'm wrong but Eagle was told if they take concessions during the bankruptcy, which they did, that they would get the new RJs. It wasn't contractual but I'm sure an Eagle guy can post some evidence for this argument. I've heard it from a few different Eagle guys. I may be wrong on that, however.

I do know that after the bankruptcy, they were offered their awful B Scale contract to get those planes on property. After their MECs stood up for the pilot group and didn't take the pay cut, another airline (PSA) said we have no self respect and don't mind taking those planes that would have otherwise been at eagle, even if it means taking concessions. That to me is stealing planes from Eagle.