Comair Interviews
#13
BLKflyer -
Whoa dude. First the question was specific about Comair - I think if you look across the boards, the problems everyone has are readily apparent. Second, Comair has a GREAT group of pilots and I would happily work there, I am not going there because I had another opportunity come up that fits me better - like you mentioned, you need to look at YOUR situation and decided what is best. Third, I admire the Comair pilot group for continually standing your ground (especially preserving the wages of the junior folks), however, management has shown that they are more than will to lose revenue if the pilot group doesn't meet their "magic number" (as was testified on the stand by management folks in the current court case). I am not the only person who feels that Delta Management (note, not Comair management) would just assume close Comair than pay extra to have a wholly owned subsidiary - again, in the new, multiple articles and sources. Comair management is stuck in between trying to stay viable, keep the owners happy and take care of the employees. Being a pilot and a businessman, I understand and appreciate both sides - and capacity needs to come out of the system at some point. I'd hope that it would be one of the lesser outfits and not the 2nd best example of compensation (Horizon is first) to leave, but that probably won't be the case. I'd bet that Horizon goes through the same issues here soon.
Fourth, I am continually dismayed by folks who fill out an application, interview and go to work for the first company that offers them a job - without knowing anything about the actual company, the leadership, business model, strategic plan, contracts, profitability, etc. and only care about if they can get CRJ700's out of DFW and will quit if they get an ATR out of SJU. This is why RJ folks get killed at interviews with SWA, Cathay, etc. and can explain the crappy wages to a point (are you working to make the company more profitable and competitive, or are you just flying the jet from A to B? Any stick monkey can fly the jet.... again, I refer you to SWA)
DO YOUR HOMEWORK. Part of that would be a full understanding of the industry, and in this case the unpredictability of it.
Interviewing in any other industry, you should know what they do, how they make money, why they are different from their competitors, etc. If you talk to HR folks with industries where the job market is competitive, those applicants who understand the company and can ask serious questions that show an understanding of thisare the ones who stand out. Heck, I asked straight up about the contract in my interview with Comair, and we talked about if for 15 minutes. That let ME know that the staff was fully aware of what was going on - good sign. AND I got hired after addressing the 300lb gorilla in the corner, and my knowledge of the company probably helped my case.
In closing on my rant, I wasn't bashing Comair, more just continued frustration with folks' inability here to move past the CFI level into the big, scary real world. "How many days off do I have" is a legitimate interview question, or pre-interview question for this forum (which it is GREAT for)...if you come here and ask "I'm starting at Comair tomorrow, how many days off will I have a month" means your being dumb.
Hopefully my continued rants on this will help!
Spongebob
Whoa dude. First the question was specific about Comair - I think if you look across the boards, the problems everyone has are readily apparent. Second, Comair has a GREAT group of pilots and I would happily work there, I am not going there because I had another opportunity come up that fits me better - like you mentioned, you need to look at YOUR situation and decided what is best. Third, I admire the Comair pilot group for continually standing your ground (especially preserving the wages of the junior folks), however, management has shown that they are more than will to lose revenue if the pilot group doesn't meet their "magic number" (as was testified on the stand by management folks in the current court case). I am not the only person who feels that Delta Management (note, not Comair management) would just assume close Comair than pay extra to have a wholly owned subsidiary - again, in the new, multiple articles and sources. Comair management is stuck in between trying to stay viable, keep the owners happy and take care of the employees. Being a pilot and a businessman, I understand and appreciate both sides - and capacity needs to come out of the system at some point. I'd hope that it would be one of the lesser outfits and not the 2nd best example of compensation (Horizon is first) to leave, but that probably won't be the case. I'd bet that Horizon goes through the same issues here soon.
Fourth, I am continually dismayed by folks who fill out an application, interview and go to work for the first company that offers them a job - without knowing anything about the actual company, the leadership, business model, strategic plan, contracts, profitability, etc. and only care about if they can get CRJ700's out of DFW and will quit if they get an ATR out of SJU. This is why RJ folks get killed at interviews with SWA, Cathay, etc. and can explain the crappy wages to a point (are you working to make the company more profitable and competitive, or are you just flying the jet from A to B? Any stick monkey can fly the jet.... again, I refer you to SWA)
DO YOUR HOMEWORK. Part of that would be a full understanding of the industry, and in this case the unpredictability of it.
Interviewing in any other industry, you should know what they do, how they make money, why they are different from their competitors, etc. If you talk to HR folks with industries where the job market is competitive, those applicants who understand the company and can ask serious questions that show an understanding of thisare the ones who stand out. Heck, I asked straight up about the contract in my interview with Comair, and we talked about if for 15 minutes. That let ME know that the staff was fully aware of what was going on - good sign. AND I got hired after addressing the 300lb gorilla in the corner, and my knowledge of the company probably helped my case.
In closing on my rant, I wasn't bashing Comair, more just continued frustration with folks' inability here to move past the CFI level into the big, scary real world. "How many days off do I have" is a legitimate interview question, or pre-interview question for this forum (which it is GREAT for)...if you come here and ask "I'm starting at Comair tomorrow, how many days off will I have a month" means your being dumb.
Hopefully my continued rants on this will help!
Spongebob
#15
Only a matter of time before someone gunning for a bonus asks "why are we paying our guys so much more? If we got our labor costs down we could bid on all this other business...."
Horizon is a great organization, just worried about Alaska losing interest or starting to think they can get someone else to service them cheaper....
State of the industry...
Horizon is a great organization, just worried about Alaska losing interest or starting to think they can get someone else to service them cheaper....
State of the industry...
#16
Mr Spongebob fact is You nor the media knows what is going on at Comair its all speculation, their is a breaking point and management knows they can only squezze so much blood from a turnip, as for Delta, they will still have to find someone to fly the airplanes and I doubt that you can get lower than the Industry Standard ie Mesa.. I dont know about you but when it becomes clear that someone can make more at Burger king that flying a jet aircraft for an airline people will start to wake up,, My rant is we have too many people flying that just want to fly for almost nothing,, hell I think we have peoople out there who would pay the regionals to fly.. as for Horizion what proof do you have.. BTW skywest WILL eventually go UNION if Management gets too Greedy..
#17
as for Horizion what proof do you have.
I'd bet that Horizon goes through the same issues here soon.
That said, I believe my statement because:
1. where one goes, they all go. Shareholders do not like having the highest paid employees in an industry.
2. If Horizon was not asking for a pay or benefit cut, the new contract would not be negotiation for 7 months and counting.
Just my opinion...feel free to consider me AFU. If you want the hard facts, look at Yahoo finance, don't come to an internet forum.
#20
I sent my stuff in through airlineapps and had an invitation to interview the next morning. This was about a month ago though. Maybe they have slowed a little? Make sure you use the airlineapps system if your not already. I faxed them a resume previous to using airlineapps and never heard a word.
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