Search

Notices
Regional Regional Airlines

HUGDs in RJs....

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 12-08-2006 | 06:53 PM
  #1  
Thread Starter
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 248
Likes: 0
From: CRJ left
Default HUGDs in RJs....

Just wondering.... I have seen many pics of CRJs and ERJs with HUGDs on the captain's side. However I noticed they were all european airlines.

Any regionals in the US have them? If not, why not? (are they THAT cheap)

I heard Horizon has them on the Q400 though......
Reply
Old 12-08-2006 | 07:15 PM
  #2  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 270
Likes: 0
From: Soon to be Ex Dash-Trash
Default

QX has them in all of the airplanes.
Reply
Old 12-08-2006 | 07:22 PM
  #3  
FlyerJosh's Avatar
Chief Jeppesen Updater
 
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 3,080
Likes: 0
From: Executive Transport Driver
Default

Actually they (the HUDs) aren't that cheap... that's why you don't see them. It's not a matter of the carriers being too cheap to purchase them, it's a matter of not being able to justify the costs.

Most of the carriers in the US that fly CRJs don't have a need for them. The additional expenses of maintaining the displays and training the crews for the small number of days where reduced minimums (CAT II or CAT III) approaches would significantly outweigh the benefits.

QX has them since they operate in areas more prone to lower weather, as well as fly RNP RNAV approaches.
Reply
Old 12-08-2006 | 07:39 PM
  #4  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 584
Likes: 0
Default

Are the HUDs required to be certified for CAT II, or only CAT III? I.E, can you do a CAT II without a HUD or autoland?
Reply
Old 12-08-2006 | 08:07 PM
  #5  
Gets Weekends Off
20 Years
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 4,047
Likes: 20
From: 7ER B...whatever that means.
Default

Originally Posted by MikeB525
Are the HUDs required to be certified for CAT II, or only CAT III? I.E, can you do a CAT II without a HUD or autoland?
At XJT we do Cat II without the HUD or autoland. At 100' the CA either sees the runway, clicks off the AP and lands or calls "minimums, no contact, go around" and the FO initiates and flies the missed. Kinda cool after the fact, I've only done one.
Reply
Old 12-08-2006 | 08:59 PM
  #6  
Pilotpip's Avatar
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 2,934
Likes: 0
From: Retired
Default

Some of the ERJs that TSA currently has came from Crossair (defunct subsidiary for defunct Swiss Airlines) and were equipped with HUD equipment. They were promptly removed and sold.
Reply
Old 12-08-2006 | 09:00 PM
  #7  
Gets Weekends Off
20 Years
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 4,047
Likes: 20
From: 7ER B...whatever that means.
Default

Originally Posted by Pilotpip
Some of the ERJs that TSA currently has came from Crossair (defunct subsidiary for defunct Swiss Airlines) and were equipped with HUD equipment. They were promptly removed and sold.
Minor error in your facts but Crossair is NOT defunct and in fact it was Crossair that purchased the defunct Swissair several years ago, creating Swiss Airlines. Hows that for a regional getting revenge on their big airline partner
Reply
Old 12-09-2006 | 09:32 AM
  #8  
Pilotpip's Avatar
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 2,934
Likes: 0
From: Retired
Default

Gotcha, I thought they both folded and that's why TSA suddenly had access to a bunch of ERJs.
Reply
Old 12-09-2006 | 09:40 AM
  #9  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 205
Likes: 0
From: EMB135BJ SIC
Default

no need to argue. TSA will soon be defunct and the argument will be moot as someone else will own the airframes.
Reply
Old 12-09-2006 | 10:04 AM
  #10  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 3,732
Likes: 0
From: DD->DH->RU/XE soon to be EV
Default

Originally Posted by freezingflyboy
At XJT we do Cat II without the HUD or autoland. At 100' the CA either sees the runway, clicks off the AP and lands or calls "minimums, no contact, go around" and the FO initiates and flies the missed. Kinda cool after the fact, I've only done one.
That they even got that POS autopilot approved to fly CAT II is a miracle in itself.
Reply

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



Your Privacy Choices