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babs 12-22-2013 09:06 AM


Originally Posted by Packrat (Post 1544941)
Again, LOCAL MECs negotiate and ratify contracts. If AE ALPA lets their management get away with a PSA type contract that's on the AE MEC. No one else.

Are you clueless? That doesn't work if ALPA national doesn't have some sort of guidelines for all ALPA groups to follow in order to not lower the bar. Otherwise, you will always have PSA types lowering the bar at the thought of a quick upgrade. Yes, pilots voting in this crap are at fault. However, it starts with national. If they don't allow the concessionary crap, management has no leverage in the first place.

block30 12-22-2013 09:30 AM


Originally Posted by Moonwolf (Post 1544828)
I personally enjoy the riviting articles that come out and drabble on about how Mesa has one of the most industry leading contracts. Or how the front page of alpa is a giant rah 170 /ATP ad. To me it show absolutely no thought into the industry. They are promoting working for nothing and going to a school where you come out with $100k in debt. Alpa national only cares about alpha national. At our MEC level its run a hell of a lot better with pilot who care, national is essentially just politicians.

Yeah, I picked up my copy of ALPA from the mail, saw that ad and thought what the frack???

One of my favorite quotes is from good old Roger Cohen,“They’re paying you to fly an airplane, and that’s pretty cool.” How thoughtless.

Source: Pilot supply a major concern for regional airlines | Wichita Eagle

Packrat 12-22-2013 09:44 AM


Originally Posted by babs (Post 1544959)
Are you clueless? That doesn't work if ALPA national doesn't have some sort of guidelines for all ALPA groups to follow in order to not lower the bar. Otherwise, you will always have PSA types lowering the bar at the thought of a quick upgrade. Yes, pilots voting in this crap are at fault. However, it starts with national. If they don't allow the concessionary crap, management has no leverage in the first place.

You obviously have NO CLUE what the function of ALPA National in negotiations is. You should get educated on the subject before posting your "opinions".

Avroman 12-22-2013 01:00 PM


Originally Posted by Packrat (Post 1544976)
You obviously have NO CLUE what the function of ALPA National in negotiations is. You should get educated on the subject before posting your "opinions".

ALPA is worthless in negotiations, that's why it's time to flush that turd and get a REAL UNION. A real union will not allow undercutting. It will have a bare minimum compensation policy. (Not to mention something worthwhile for a merger policy)

IFLYACRJ 12-22-2013 02:14 PM

Outstanding ALPA Leadership for Regionals
 
Moak is a Joke

He's up for re election in October, 2014
I hope the regionals will band together and get rid of him

JungleBus 12-22-2013 04:11 PM


Originally Posted by Packrat (Post 1544976)
You obviously have NO CLUE what the function of ALPA National in negotiations is. You should get educated on the subject before posting your "opinions".

Knowing what the function of ALPA National in negotiations currently is, and saying what it should be, are two completely different things. ALPA National currently has no hand whatsoever in specifying and enforcing a minimum industry contract to prevent undercutting, but it should. If MECs are left out there to their own devices, what the fark is the point of a national union?

gzsg 12-23-2013 04:09 AM


Originally Posted by JungleBus (Post 1545190)
Knowing what the function of ALPA National in negotiations currently is, and saying what it should be, are two completely different things. ALPA National currently has no hand whatsoever in specifying and enforcing a minimum industry contract to prevent undercutting, but it should. If MECs are left out there to their own devices, what the fark is the point of a national union?

Exactly!

The minimum starting for a first officer flying a 50 seat jet should be $50,000/yr.

Our ALPA president has no goals. No leadership. Instead of raising the bar, he works behind the scenes for management forcing concessions when there is no pilot supply.

Captain Moak does exactly what Richard Anderson tells him to do. And that is to get the regional pilots to work for minimum wage and qualify for food stamps.

And what is his pay?

Captain Tony 12-23-2013 05:17 AM


Originally Posted by Packrat (Post 1544832)
It has always amused me how people who vote on and ratify poor contracts then turn around and blame ALPA National.

National didn't negotiate or accept your bad contract. YOU DID.

My MEC is running around saying ALPA told them not to even bother requesting the standard MCF grant during negotiations that is usually used to spool up the SPC and apply pressure to the company. We are now voting on whether or not to take massive concessions while our holding company has almost a billion dollars in the bank.

Thanks Lee.

I contend that ALPA has realized they can't scope the regionals out, so now their play is to starve us to death.

I see a future where 10,000 disgruntled former regional pilots move to mainline carriers and start decertification campaigns. ALPA will reap what its sown.

Aviatrx 12-23-2013 05:24 AM


Originally Posted by Packrat (Post 1544976)
You obviously have NO CLUE what the function of ALPA National in negotiations is. You should get educated on the subject before posting your "opinions".

Does anyone have the letter from Moak to Eagle pilots? National is consulted on negotiations. You, are the one that needs to check yourself. You would be crazy to think they didn't.

Aviatrx 12-23-2013 05:30 AM

It appears that ALPA and Managements are attempting to make the regionals an undesirable place to work and exacerbating the Regional pilot shortage. More "fight another day" talk that is very disheartening.


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