E2CMaster

This is the same **** my current, non flying employer pulls. Get sick on a job, and they will not allow you to buy a ticket home, or even have your spouse fly out and drive you back home.

We currently have an OSHA complaint in on it, not sure how it's going to pan out. (DOT regulated industry, just not flying)

eaglefly

Nothing to do with it. By DELIBERATELY impeding your ability to get well and seek appropriate medical care, they now become part of the equation.

What other reason would there be to explicitly prohibit a pilot from using the very mechanism that got them to base and doing their job to get well again ?

Sounds like you graduated cum laude from the "Short-sighted School for Vendictive Managers".

eaglefly

One that legally has high risk to bite them in the ass. Suppose a pilot then feels pressured to fly ill, there's an accident and the next-of-kin's lawyers get a hold of it ?

Whooo Boy. The term "culpable negligence" comes to mind and that's what the big bucks start to roll in.

SkylineAviation

Does anyone have any first hand experience as of yet being denied travel after sick or fatigue?

Or is this just a threat not enacted yet?

embraer

This just came down the pipe today. Give it until Christmas.

skillett

Yes, Mesa has pulled this a few years back. I think it went away pretty quick. I haven't heard anything since. I called out in domicile six months ago. Was actually to sick to ride in the back of the plane home and paid for a hotel for two days. I was a afraid on that third day to travel. Afraid they had pulled my CASS and benefits. But, everything went fine to get back to see my doctor. But I did hear of them doing this at one point.

kingairfun

Here what ya all need to do... Stop being pussies and do what you need to do.........

Pull up your CASS history...?! Seriously go ahead and let them.....



I used to commute and one time had a day get cancelled as a line holder. Was put on reserve for day "4"..... The night of day 3 I commute home because I refuse to spend the day in base.....next morning I get a :30 out and back Cvg-fwa..... I nicely ask to have it dropped because I'd be commuting in for 1 hr of work.... They say they can't, I say I'm sick....done deal.... Never heard a thing about it....

Don't fall for all these scare tactics....pilots are always sooooo afraid of getting in the least bit of trouble over seemingly small things.. ( like commuting home when sick)

FLYZERG

I'm just saying that a lawsuit would not work and nothing more, if your sick and you get back to base then you are home as far as the company is concerned. No one is going to sue someone because you didn't see a specific doctor, if someone were to succeed at doing that more power to them. If your problem is that bad then you probably wouldn't be granted a medical. I'm not trying to defend eagle and as a commuter it would upset me to, I would be furious. That gives you no reason to start taking pop shots at someone who is just being logical about succeeding at bring suit against Eagle for the purpose of "your ability to get well and seek appropriate medical care" via a doctor in one state vs the other. I'm sorry you are put in a situation where the company lights you on fire and then the next day ****es on you to put it out.

Intransit

Good post by kingairfun. Do what you need to do.

While I was at Eagle I had one instance of becoming very sick on a layover. Every other time I got sick on the road, I'd make sure I could get back into base and get home, but in this instance it wasn't happening. So, I spent some time at the layover hotel recouping until I could get a dr's note stating that it was safe for me to travel home as a passenger. Keep in mind that the company covered the hotel expenses for my entire stay (hence, get to a layover hotel, typical hotel staff will also help with getting you necessities to get better).

Although the company can look up CASS records, that was not a common practice in the past. If you're in base and sick just go home, it's a matter of you looking out for your health.

This policy is wrong and there is no better Christmas season to sick out!

eaglefly

You're talking about suing for the policy. I'm talking about suing should this policy result in harm to an employee or more importantly is a component in an accident. If this situation had been in play in the Colgan accident they would have been mangled in court.

It's one example of why OSHA exists.