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I left eagle 9 months after AA declared BK and being displaced form 2 AC and 3 bases . I haven't looked back since , holding a line now I couldn't say more . while my buddies there still sit on reserve . hope the best for you guys

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Originally Posted by Bzzt (Post 1546033)

APA gets those 175s?

an email was sent out that they want those planes on AA side and have eagle join their seniority, according to an aa captain on my flight home the other night!

Just curious, those who left Eagle, where did you go?

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Originally Posted by Mason32 (Post 1546045)

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An airline with average pilot age of 57. An airline with a damaged name from a high profile accident. Had they kept you, you'd be in the middle of massive hiring due to mandatory retirements, have tons of employees collecting retirement benefits.

Mason, you're so full of it it's laughable. An average age of 57? It was Comair not USAir. A high profile accident? Yes, but what about Roselawn? Massive retirements? I'd have to get my old contract out to dispute your fuzzy math but there were plenty of younger people at Comair who joined when they were in their late twenties and early thirties. I don't think management was sitting around a boardroom table trying to figure out what to do about he retirements. And "tons of employees collecting retirement benefits"... What exactly do you mean besides the employees taking what was in their 401k plan? Did Comair have some defined benefit program that was only for those with membership in the secret society?

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Originally Posted by wayway8 (Post 1546030)

I came to the same conclusion and I'm leaving Eagle in January to go to Compass.

You shouldn't do that

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Originally Posted by meeko031 (Post 1546114)

an email was sent out that they want those planes on AA side and have eagle join their seniority, according to an aa captain on my flight home the other night!

Pipe dream I'm afraid.

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Originally Posted by Salukipilot4590 (Post 1546123)

You shouldn't do that

Why not? There are people here at Compass who have come from various different airlines, some as a lateral move and some because of furlough. Most people I talk to are very happy with their decision to come here. I'm part of the Endeavor exodus that came to Compass which sounds like a very similar situation (dwindling fleet, poor cba and low seniority) and I can say I am very content with my choice. With LAX as the junior base it sounds like it won't be a difficult commute for wayway, but I'd probably think a home base at SkyWest would be more attractive.

Anyone making a lateral move in the current atmosphere of consolidation between regional carriers won't know if they've made the right choice for a few years. I'd roll the dice if you can live and work in the same city and stay put if you already do.

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Originally Posted by XForces (Post 1546156)

Pipe dream I'm afraid.

...that's what I said!!!

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Originally Posted by Bzzt (Post 1546011)

Actually looking for a little advice here. I have heard many horror stories of lateral moves not working and typically standing pat at your current regional works best, but I'm considering the idea given Eagle's new future (or lack thereof).

The way I see it anyone with a seniority number > 2000 is looking at a pretty uncertain future. Even if the concessions are voted in (god forbid) we're still looking at a fleet of 107 aircraft (47 CRJ / 60 ERJ) which is significantly smaller than what we have today. This means that even with the flow our relative seniority will stagnate until the staffing reaches levels more in line with that fleet size, in short upgrades are still quite a way off. As to the flow even at 50% of new hire classes we're looking at 6 years and 4000 pilots minimum hired at AA before our number is called (assuming the agreement goes as written).

So compare that to places like:
Skywest (stability)
Compass (playing the upgrade lottery)
PSA...haha just kidding

What do you guys think? Is it time to abandon ship? Thanks for the responses.

Let me help you with facts a little.

People are under the illusion that the 47 CR7 that AE operates are here to stay as they are not set for retirement but that is far from the truth. Those airplanes can me shifted to another operator at will, AE no longer owns the airplanes or the right to follow the airplanes. The proposal is for a fleet of 60 E175s guarantee. The rest of the fleet wouldn't be guaranteed. Management has threatened to retire the EMB and send the CRJs to other carriers and make Eagle "Comair II".

So don't plan on 107 airplanes but rather 60 if this passes. If it doesn't then plan on 0 airframes but with that being said a lateral move in our current environment isn't guaranteed to be a successful one. Right now management is placing the same threat they did to Pinnacle in Bk and is using PSA to help drive pressure.

Let them attempt to place the airframes elsewhere and close shop, we have flow provisions and furlough protections that Pinnacle didn't have. I understand that theses are clauses in the contract and that their adherence isn't guaranteed but the same can be said for the fleet promise and new flow.

Don't play their game and stand up for yourselves, we are worth more and they need us. You will continue to get kicked in the nutzzzz until you punch them in the face.

L-AE will disappear in 2years or less. Fly FM1 more than ever, the PAX will thank you!