View Poll Results: What will the MEC Board respond
Say NO outright and walk away
26
18.06%
Say NO and submit counter proposal
71
49.31%
Say Yes and start 2014 with a BANG
47
32.64%
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What will the AE MEC Board do Jan 2, 2014
01-06-2014, 09:08 AM
#101
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Posts: 545
Originally Posted by slough
I agree with what was said in the post. I think most of the irate guys on here would ***** and moan just as much no matter which career field they were in. Pulling yourself up by your boot straps gives you perspective.
01-06-2014, 11:32 AM
#102
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Joined APC: Jun 2008
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Posts: 579
Originally Posted by slough
I agree with what was said in the post. I think most of the irate guys on here would ***** and moan just as much no matter which career field they were in. Pulling yourself up by your boot straps gives you perspective.
The happiest man I knew, my dad, maxed out at $25K/year after working in the same job for 30 years yet his kids were well fed, they lived in a nice house and he drove reliable vehicles. The key here was he didn't spend more than he made. He passed away in 2007 and Mom in 2012. I was shocked when I found out they had almost $250,000 in CD's and anuities. They owned their house outright and had no debt. He looked for the good in everything. My have times have changed.
I do believe that the airlines have taken our love of the profession and exploited it greatly to their advantage.
01-06-2014, 11:38 AM
#103
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Joined APC: Oct 2013
Position: The right seat
Posts: 257
Originally Posted by squawkoff
I'm retired ATC. Controllers making $170K plus/year *****ed and moaned about everything. They knew their schedules a year in advance. Were home every night and when they needed time off they got it 99% of the time. They worked in AC in the summer and warmth in the winter. They griped about everything. You would have thought that their life sucked. You know what? It probably did. But it sucked because they chose for it to suck.
The happiest man I knew, my dad, maxed out at $25K/year after working in the same job for 30 years yet his kids were well fed, they lived in a nice house and he drove reliable vehicles. The key here was he didn't spend more than he made. He passed away in 2007 and Mom in 2012. I was shocked when I found out they had almost $250,000 in CD's and anuities. They owned their house outright and had no debt. He looked for the good in everything. My have times have changed.
I do believe that the airlines have taken our love of the profession and exploited it greatly to their advantage.
The happiest man I knew, my dad, maxed out at $25K/year after working in the same job for 30 years yet his kids were well fed, they lived in a nice house and he drove reliable vehicles. The key here was he didn't spend more than he made. He passed away in 2007 and Mom in 2012. I was shocked when I found out they had almost $250,000 in CD's and anuities. They owned their house outright and had no debt. He looked for the good in everything. My have times have changed.
I do believe that the airlines have taken our love of the profession and exploited it greatly to their advantage.
01-06-2014, 11:47 AM
#104
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Joined APC: Apr 2011
Posts: 1,533
Originally Posted by cencal83406
Anyone who makes a career out of a regional has failed as an airline pilot. Lifers are the DUI offenders, the checkride failers, those who strive to make a pittance of less than 100,000 a year. That's why it's so sad to be forced by senior regional union guys into these deals that keep crappy companies afloat.
01-06-2014, 12:51 PM
#105
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Joined APC: Nov 2008
Position: 717 Sidekick
Posts: 162
Originally Posted by squawkoff
I'm retired ATC. Controllers making $170K plus/year *****ed and moaned about everything. They knew their schedules a year in advance. Were home every night and when they needed time off they got it 99% of the time. They worked in AC in the summer and warmth in the winter. They griped about everything. You would have thought that their life sucked. You know what? It probably did. But it sucked because they chose for it to suck.
The happiest man I knew, my dad, maxed out at $25K/year after working in the same job for 30 years yet his kids were well fed, they lived in a nice house and he drove reliable vehicles. The key here was he didn't spend more than he made. He passed away in 2007 and Mom in 2012. I was shocked when I found out they had almost $250,000 in CD's and anuities. They owned their house outright and had no debt. He looked for the good in everything. My have times have changed.
I do believe that the airlines have taken our love of the profession and exploited it greatly to their advantage.
The happiest man I knew, my dad, maxed out at $25K/year after working in the same job for 30 years yet his kids were well fed, they lived in a nice house and he drove reliable vehicles. The key here was he didn't spend more than he made. He passed away in 2007 and Mom in 2012. I was shocked when I found out they had almost $250,000 in CD's and anuities. They owned their house outright and had no debt. He looked for the good in everything. My have times have changed.
I do believe that the airlines have taken our love of the profession and exploited it greatly to their advantage.
01-06-2014, 01:12 PM
#106
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Joined APC: Aug 2008
Posts: 545
Originally Posted by TMoney
Well said! Fortunately, I still think there are a lot of guys out there like your dad. At least here at SkyWest most everyone seems happy and enjoys life. I'm definitely one of them...even being junior in the right seat. Life is good!
Life is good. It may not seem like it by spending time on these forums, but most of us here at Eagle are also happy. The happiest people don't get on these types of forums at all. Glad there are more of us out there than the complainers.
01-06-2014, 01:32 PM
#107
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Joined APC: Jan 2013
Posts: 1,648
Originally Posted by embraer
Did you see my post, #84?
Life is good. It may not seem like it by spending time on these forums, but most of us here at Eagle are also happy. The happiest people don't get on these types of forums at all. Glad there are more of us out there than the complainers.
Life is good. It may not seem like it by spending time on these forums, but most of us here at Eagle are also happy. The happiest people don't get on these types of forums at all. Glad there are more of us out there than the complainers.
01-07-2014, 09:35 AM
#110
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Joined APC: Jun 2008
Position: Reclined
Posts: 2,168
ALLIED PILOTS ASSOCIATION EXPRESSES SUPPORT FOR AMERICAN EAGLE PILOTS IN THEIR UNPRECEDENTED CONTRACT TALKS WITH MANAGEMENT
FORT WORTH, Texas (Jan. 7, 2014) — The president of the Allied Pilots Association (APA), certified collective bargaining agent for the 10,000 pilots of American Airlines, expressed strong support today for the pilots at American Eagle Airlines during their contract discussions with American Airlines Group management.
"APA supports our brothers and sisters at Eagle in their efforts to obtain an agreement that would ensure the current aircraft deliveries and regional flying stay at American Eagle," said APA President Capt. Keith Wilson. "The pilots of American Eagle have gone through the same bankruptcy restructuring process as we have here at the new American, and as such, they have already made significant sacrifices resulting in nearly $43 million in contract concessions. The current collective bargaining agreement has helped align Eagle's cost structure with that of its competitors, allowing Eagle to continue to provide regional lift to American."
William Sprague, chairman of the Air Line Pilots Association's American Eagle Master Executive Council, explained, "While the pilots of American Eagle worked hard to meet all of management's demands during bankruptcy, only 10 days after the new American Airlines Group exited bankruptcy, the pilots of American Eagle were asked to again renegotiate their contract. The pilots were presented with a new term sheet asking for additional cuts to pay and benefits, adding new work rules that constitute vast changes to this new contract. This was in exchange for a vague promise of replacement aircraft."
Capt. Wilson added that "APA leadership’s position is that there is simply no need for management to take another 'bite at the apple' from the Eagle pilots immediately following a bankruptcy contract. Rather, management should ensure some level of career stability for those pilots and prevent yet another race to the bottom that has, of late, plagued the regional airline industry."
Founded in 1963, the Allied Pilots Association — the largest independent pilots' union in the United States — is headquartered in Fort Worth, Texas. APA represents the 10,000 pilots of American Airlines, including several hundred pilots on full-time military leave of absence serving in the armed forces. The union's website is About APA. American Airlines is the nation's largest international passenger carrier and fifth-largest cargo carrier.
https://public.alliedpilots.org/apa/...anagement.aspx
FORT WORTH, Texas (Jan. 7, 2014) — The president of the Allied Pilots Association (APA), certified collective bargaining agent for the 10,000 pilots of American Airlines, expressed strong support today for the pilots at American Eagle Airlines during their contract discussions with American Airlines Group management.
"APA supports our brothers and sisters at Eagle in their efforts to obtain an agreement that would ensure the current aircraft deliveries and regional flying stay at American Eagle," said APA President Capt. Keith Wilson. "The pilots of American Eagle have gone through the same bankruptcy restructuring process as we have here at the new American, and as such, they have already made significant sacrifices resulting in nearly $43 million in contract concessions. The current collective bargaining agreement has helped align Eagle's cost structure with that of its competitors, allowing Eagle to continue to provide regional lift to American."
William Sprague, chairman of the Air Line Pilots Association's American Eagle Master Executive Council, explained, "While the pilots of American Eagle worked hard to meet all of management's demands during bankruptcy, only 10 days after the new American Airlines Group exited bankruptcy, the pilots of American Eagle were asked to again renegotiate their contract. The pilots were presented with a new term sheet asking for additional cuts to pay and benefits, adding new work rules that constitute vast changes to this new contract. This was in exchange for a vague promise of replacement aircraft."
Capt. Wilson added that "APA leadership’s position is that there is simply no need for management to take another 'bite at the apple' from the Eagle pilots immediately following a bankruptcy contract. Rather, management should ensure some level of career stability for those pilots and prevent yet another race to the bottom that has, of late, plagued the regional airline industry."
Founded in 1963, the Allied Pilots Association — the largest independent pilots' union in the United States — is headquartered in Fort Worth, Texas. APA represents the 10,000 pilots of American Airlines, including several hundred pilots on full-time military leave of absence serving in the armed forces. The union's website is About APA. American Airlines is the nation's largest international passenger carrier and fifth-largest cargo carrier.
https://public.alliedpilots.org/apa/...anagement.aspx
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