American Eagle
 

Received an e-mail for an invite to interview. Anyone else?

A couple of weeks ago

Which one of the 10 American Eagles?

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I think he's asking Envoy, Piedmont, or psa

Sorry bad joke. There will now be 10 airlines operating as "American Eagle" the brand. The airline actually known as American Eagle Airlines will now become Envoy.

I cannot recommend going to Envoy. To say that morale is low here is an understatement.

The FAA disagrees. They came to check our attitudes and no fines or violations for low morale yet.

Envoy will get Comaired. They have 9 other Regionals within the American Eagle group to distribute the flying.

Parker will do it.

Envoy will shrink, I don't doubt that. It also won't be shut down, they cannot shift that much flying.

You are a management tool... All you write is negativity and how Eagle MUST accept the TA. Your actions sir/madam are douche baggary

Really? Show me one post that I have encourage anyone to vote yes.

Vote yes or no will have some consequences. One more than the other.

Let Parker decide whats best for business.

Spoken like a true management flunky.

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n. pl. flun·kies also flun·keys
1. A person of slavish or unquestioning obedience; a lackey.
2. One who does menial or trivial work; a drudge.
3. A liveried manservant.

Where's the "Ignore" link? It's been so long I don't know where to find it...

Ahh...

Wow! Once again ALPC does not let me down with a thread going to hell in a hand basket.

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Loud noises!!!!!!!

It should be no surprise.

American Eagle, soon to be envoy, should be about at the bottom of your list of places at this moment (maybe it will change in the future though...doubtful). Please take the 15 minutes or so to educate yourself about what is going on. You touched on a subject at the absolute worst moment.

Eagle/envoy is in the middle of a huge struggle that can't be over stated. If you can think of more than 1-2 good reasons to come here after you've read this forum a little more thoroughly and/or talked to some pilots that work there, then make your decision. Don't let that $5k cloud your vision or the "promise" to go to AA mainline.

It's also worth noting that many current FOs at AE have been looking for opportunities elsewhere, including lateral moves. I myself am debating an offer at Compass. If it weren't for the lack of money for a month and figuring out my own lodging during training I'd probably already be gone.

I would go ahead and take the interview. If anything else it's good experience. If you get offered the job and decide to take it, I'm sure you'll like it as long as you don't get involved with all the drama and stay off the forums... Oh and don't listen to RJ pilot, she is very depressed...

Id only come to Eagle if you live in base. You'll likely be stuck on reserve for years, add in a commute and you'll begin to hate your life.

As a 7yr FO, soon to be Capt.. Stay far far away from this place unless you live in DFW.. This place as steadily gone down hill since I have been hired.. Look elsewhere.. I recommend skywest.

Go for the interview and find out for yourself. Don't listen to the handful of complainers on message boards. Go and check it out and ask the recruiters the tough questions.

Don't listen to the recruiters. They told me I'd upgrade in 3 years, almost 3 years later and I'm still on reserve. Every airline I've interviewed at the recruiters spill nothing but BS about how new planes are just around the corner and things will be better than ever. None of them have been right.

Exactly

Filler

Waaaait aaaaa minute.. Aren't we supposed to get 170 yes thats 170 airframes- E175's with this new proposal provided we vote yes? If that happens, upgrades will drop to 2-3 yrs and flow thru will move faster.

But vote NO, and???? well who knows……

Watch...it'll be 170 airframes total for the entire airline. No upgrades, stagnation will persist. I have no hope for this place.

And locked into a 10yr contract when hiring really hits the fan... Good luck...

There won't be as much hiring if you're stuck in a 10+year contract. You'll already be where they need you. And where they need you to stay, for $.60 on the dollar.

Supply and demand will dictate pilot wages no matter if you sign a 10 year or a 100 year agreement. Provided management wants to keep a company operating (not sure they do in our case) they need pilots to fill the seats. If they can't find pilots compensation must increase.

If this logic holds true since after all we know they can't fill classes then why are they offering you all concessions and guy like RJpilot voting yes?

I don't presume to know what management is thinking. My guess is that they think the carrot of a flow and new airplanes will attract new hires even at the proposed pay and benefits.

I believe economics will ultimately dictate our contracts, we're running towards the end of the economic misfortune our country and companies saw in the 2000s, this coupled with the impending regional pilot shortage will cause either wages/benefits to increase or flow type programs to attract new hires.

This is just my theory, I'm not a smart guy or an economist. I have about as worthless a degree as you can get outside of something aviation related. So I could be completely wrong.

You don't need a degree to come up with a theory like that. People with economic degrees don't really know either. Supply and demand, which you eluded to, will play a significant role.

Pilots should be able to see that we are approaching a time when the airlines won't be able to complain about losing so much money as they had in the past. Pilots may also want to remember that the may be able to affect changes desired in their terms and conditions by voting accordingly.

You are not presuming, Pedro himself delivered this message to the MEC a few weeks ago, Kirby said the same things this summer. They are banking that a flow and a guarantee path to mainline will attract the new hires! Now they know compensation is part of it but as we have seen they will open negotiations when they want and not during section 6. They can also increase new hire compensation with a bonus, not just 5k sign on bonus but they can also offer a bonus that pays half on day one and then split the rest over a few years. They are already doing that with the School programs they have and the 10k bonus... There are many ways to skin a cat.

It's probably not only the flow but those ridiculous 175s. Every airline that has them fills classes with every CFI in the country who wants to fly a "real" airliner.

Also, if their plan for hiring is to use the flow as a carrot we shouldn't be giving concessions to secure the flow. If they mean to keep Eagle operational they need pilots, whether they want us to remain operational is anyone's guess.

Anyone voting yes, needs to be dropped off in the hills of Afghanistan.

I think they'll be unable to skin that cat this time. The college programs can only move so many pilots through them during 4 year cycles and even at max rate, it's a drop in the bucket for what the regionals will need once the legacies start hiring en masse for increasing retirements. They'll need another plan as the legacies will still hire from outside their "career path" regionals and the incentive to flow to your "path" legacy will take way too long for many to see that as their primary motivation. Soon all three legacies will likely have this model, but they'll end up poaching each others regionals as pilots will go to the first legacy that offers them an actual class, seniority number and compensation. Would you pass that up ? Outside programs won't get near the quantity of pilots needed and the quality will be questionable. I think they have run out of ideas and are grasping at straws, but don't realize how ineffective their strategy will be until it manifests itself in technicolor in about 18-24 months.

The regional industry and market share will HAVE to shrink in size, but operate with a much higher percentage of larger 76-seat RJ's. At any rate, once Envoy pilots vote in their latest annual concessionary contract, the pay rates and projected time frame to advance to a legacy airline will not attract many high school seniors (or their parents paying the bills) to shell out another $50-75,000 in college costs vs. saving that debt and going into another profession that starts out at 2-3 times what $25,000/year regional pilots start out at........and with half the debt. At this point, it's time to watch the idiots who had a good run wringing out pilots like dish rags for the last 25 years finally face their chickens coming home to roost. At some point in the future after the majority of the morons flying for Envoy have already dropped to their knees for management and agreeing to commit financial seppuku yet again, they'll feel even stupider for doing that when they then realize what kind of leverage they would have had, if they had identified the real pickle these mental midgets in airline management were facing in the near future.

Eagle fly, your wrong thinking it will pass, it won't.

I hope you're right.

I hope you guys get a facebook page going. One reason here at ExpressJet that the contract failed so miserable was the power of social media.

I'd be very happy and pleased to be wrong, believe me.

If they offer 170 aircraft I absolutely guarantee it passes and by a wide margin.