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djrogs03 01-29-2014 07:02 AM

any dispute pre-merger 9E pilots should have, should be brought up with their ISL committee/company...how many times did we wait for a correct seniority list to be provided to the arbitrator...I thank that ****ed Bloch off

mooney 01-29-2014 07:51 AM


Originally Posted by mooney (Post 1569170)
There would have been riots in the streets and most 9e peeps would have tarred and feathered them if they pushed DOH.


Originally Posted by gojo (Post 1569342)
Really??? why was that. Could it be that there was terrible communication between the merger committee and the pilot group? I can't imagine that the merger committee actually thought that they could get something better by bullying Block. They should've explained the dangers of pursuing a staple or whatever the h$ll they were trying to do and the fact the a staple or anything close to a staple is rarely used and try to educate the pilot group. Instead they pushed for the impossible and at the end made Block the bad guy

nice way to put words in my mouth and completely misinterpret my post. All I said was most Pinnacle guys I know, including myself, would have been severely hurt by DOH. Several hundred numbers in my case. Especially those in the 8-13 year group or so. Read my original post again and see where I even mentioned a staple or any other method.

On a side note, I always find it funny when the majority of the pilot group, with regards to the ISL or a contract, tells the ISL guys "shoot for the stars, no mercy" ( including the large number that were vocally pro-staple) and when they do that and the arbitration doesn't go their way they suddenly say "you guys asked for way too much!!!!! are you crazy!!!"

The only people that made it out safe were the top 2% on the XJ and 9E lists, and most of the Colgan list. The majority of mid level 9e, and especially XJ guys, really took it in the rear. I don't dispute that point.

Mesabah 01-29-2014 09:19 AM


Originally Posted by djrogs03 (Post 1569554)
any dispute pre-merger 9E pilots should have, should be brought up with their ISL committee/company...how many times did we wait for a correct seniority list to be provided to the arbitrator...I thank that ****ed Bloch off

No, once you go to the arbitrator with ALPA merger policy, you get an equipment award. None of the proposals mattered, nor did the infighting. I laid out how it was going to go in a previous post here before the SLI. We have exactly the same situation USair/AW had/has.

gojo 01-29-2014 09:46 AM


Originally Posted by mooney (Post 1569591)
nice way to put words in my mouth and completely misinterpret my post. All I said was most Pinnacle guys I know, including myself, would have been severely hurt by DOH. Several hundred numbers in my case. Especially those in the 8-13 year group or so. Read my original post again and see where I even mentioned a staple or any other method.

On a side note, I always find it funny when the majority of the pilot group, with regards to the ISL or a contract, tells the ISL guys "shoot for the stars, no mercy" ( including the large number that were vocally pro-staple) and when they do that and the arbitration doesn't go their way they suddenly say "you guys asked for way too much!!!!! are you crazy!!!"

The only people that made it out safe were the top 2% on the XJ and 9E lists, and most of the Colgan list. The majority of mid level 9e, and especially XJ guys, really took it in the rear. I don't dispute that point.

Do you think I'm physic? Your post was pretty vague. How was I supposed to know how it was personally going to affect you? I do know that there was a very vocal percentage that was in favor of a staple or an integration much like they gave the Mesaba and Colgan flight attendants in the begining

jethikoki 01-29-2014 03:08 PM


Originally Posted by Terantious (Post 1569369)
Quit your *****ing and enjoy those concessions! I hope everyone at Endeavour who voted yes to that ****ty contract ends up stuck there and reaps the benefit of that great contract they voted in.

I know you must have some bitterness that Endeavor wouldn't hire you but not everyone can make it through the program. You can still try for flight attendant but that may not be easy for you also. I wish you luck...


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