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Old 02-02-2014 | 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by outaluckagain
Hopefully the MPL won't make our cetificates worthless.
Yours maybe, but not mine. MPL pilots can't handle as PIC a/c such as the MD-11.
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Old 02-02-2014 | 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
Why on earth would you want to "solve" regional staffing issues -- other than with economics.
Because I'm sick and tired of my commercial deadheads getting cancelled for lack of crews.

What the MAJORS need to do is have MPL candidates self-sponsor for a spot at a wholly-owned regional for a period of seasoning and mentoring by senior regional Captains who decide, or are "ineligible" to get a job at mainline. The regionals would have a stable crew force of senior permanent Captains and self-funding F/Os who will only work there for a few months of real world seasoning, before going on the their major airline right seat.
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Old 02-02-2014 | 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by MEMbrain
Because I'm sick and tired of my commercial deadheads getting cancelled for lack of crews.

What the MAJORS need to do is have MPL candidates self-sponsor for a spot at a wholly-owned regional for a period of seasoning and mentoring by senior regional Captains who decide, or are "ineligible" to get a job at mainline. The regionals would have a stable crew force of senior permanent Captains and self-funding F/Os who will only work there for a few months of real world seasoning, before going on the their major airline right seat.
mentor, you better get me 200% for pay scheduled or actual whichever is greater for anyone I fly with that falls in the category of required mentoring. aint gonna doit anyother way.
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Old 02-02-2014 | 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by MEMbrain
Because I'm sick and tired of my commercial deadheads getting cancelled for lack of crews.

What the MAJORS need to do is have MPL candidates self-sponsor for a spot at a wholly-owned regional for a period of seasoning and mentoring by senior regional Captains who decide, or are "ineligible" to get a job at mainline. The regionals would have a stable crew force of senior permanent Captains and self-funding F/Os who will only work there for a few months of real world seasoning, before going on the their major airline right seat.

This idea would get lobbied in on the same bill as drones to carry the freight that supplies your paycheck. Think big picture. Making it "easier" on management means "lighter" on paychecks. That's industry ride, regardless of which union represents you or what you fly in the back.

I'm glad you are at purple and fly the -11, but the MPL was not designed to help pilots, it's a mgmt idea.
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Old 02-02-2014 | 07:04 PM
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By the way, for those who don't know:

"Self-Sponsored" = "Pay for training".

We slew that dragon back in the 1990s. It took a crap load of negotiating capital to get rid of. Is NOT coming back just because some dude wants an easier deadhead.

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Old 02-02-2014 | 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by higney85
This idea would get lobbied in on the same bill as drones to carry the freight that supplies your paycheck. Think big picture. Making it "easier" on management means "lighter" on paychecks. That's industry ride, regardless of which union represents you or what you fly in the back.

I'm glad you are at purple and fly the -11, but the MPL was not designed to help pilots, it's a mgmt idea.
Have the majors hire MPL pilots and place then at the regionals for experience. They will work for peanuts because if they play the game, they have a guaranteed right seat waiting for them at the majors.

Since they would have a seniority number at a major from day one, they would bypass hiring the current generation of regional pilots, who are made up by large numbers of "undesirables". Therefore, only the best of the best would make the cut, kinda like what the military does.

They would fly at the regional to get some time in swept wing jets and then go to their major where they would continue their seasoning under experienced Captains and would eventually become productive, contributing members of the crew.
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Old 02-02-2014 | 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by MEMbrain
Because I'm sick and tired of my commercial deadheads getting cancelled for lack of crews.

What the MAJORS need to do is have MPL candidates self-sponsor for a spot at a wholly-owned regional for a period of seasoning and mentoring by senior regional Captains who decide, or are "ineligible" to get a job at mainline. The regionals would have a stable crew force of senior permanent Captains and self-funding F/Os who will only work there for a few months of real world seasoning, before going on the their major airline right seat.
You are seriously misinformed about the MPL...it is carrier-specific license that requires additional training to obtain a full ATPL or move on to another carrier. Regardless, you're gonna be hard-pressed to find anyone that will self-sponsor for a license that, should they run into politics at their airline employing regional airline, would leave them with very few options.

I think most people would have a real problem with a right-seat regional "job" being used as an evaluation period for people with very little flight time and experience, particularly when the changes as of late have been in the opposite direction.

Also, countries that have an MPL have many years of experience with the frozen ATPL...it would be a hell of a leap for the FAA to go from a 1500 hour requirement to right seat regional people with less than 200 hours....it works in the EU because upgrades take a long time, whereas regional upgrades in this country have often been less than a year.

Also, your plan depends on a retaining a cadre of senior regional captains, which is going to require vast improvements in pay and work rules at that level, which will price the regionals out of existance.
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Old 02-02-2014 | 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by NuGuy
By the way, for those who don't know:

"Self-Sponsored" = "Pay for training".

We slew that dragon back in the 1990s. It took a crap load of negotiating capital to get rid of. Is NOT coming back just because some dude wants an easier deadhead.

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I know many up and coming pilots who would GLADLY "self-fund" their training in exchange for a seniority number at a major.
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Old 02-02-2014 | 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by sqwkvfr
You are seriously misinformed about the MPL...it is carrier-specific license that requires additional training to obtain a full ATPL or move on to another carrier. Regardless, you're gonna be hard-pressed to find anyone that will self-sponsor for a license that, should they run into politics at their airline employing regional airline, would leave them with very few options.

I think most people would have a real problem with a right-seat regional "job" being used as an evaluation period for people with very little flight time and experience, particularly when the changes as of late have been in the opposite direction.

Also, countries that have an MPL have many years of experience with the frozen ATPL...it would be a hell of a leap for the FAA to go from a 1500 hour requirement to right seat regional people with less than 200 hours....it works in the EU because upgrades take a long time, whereas regional upgrades in this country have often been less than a year.

Also, your plan depends on a retaining a cadre of senior regional captains, which is going to require vast improvements in pay and work rules at that level, which will price the regionals out of existance.

With my plan, the MPL pilot gets a mainline seniority number from day one of training, therefore he doesn't have to worry about what happens at his seasoning regional..... he has a number at mainline!

The regionals are littered with "lifers" who aren't going anywhere and could be used to give the MPL pilots seasoning before they leave to their major right seat. You could give the "lifer" regional Captain a small override to provide seasoning, but you really wouldn't have to, since he's not going anywhere and he would still have to fly his trips.

Hopefully the regional "lifer" Captain wouldn't become jealous and envious of his MPL first officer, who would already have a number at a major.
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Old 02-02-2014 | 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by MEMbrain
Because I'm sick and tired of my commercial deadheads getting cancelled for lack of crews.
You are not being told the truth if they are telling you flights are canceling due to lack of crews. It isn't happening, it might begin to start happening later this year but either you are exaggerating or what the airlines are telling you is a flat out lie.
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