Pilot Shortage Video on WSJ Online:
02-05-2014 | 10:40 AM
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I am chiming in here as well that I would love to go to the airlines but can't take that much of a hit in pay and QOL. Ballpark, I would need to make QXE 2nd year CAPT pay to start to keep things going. In the meantime, I am headed to C-12's/BE20T's for the Guard and will get my fix that way while paying things down to maybe be able to live off of 1st year pay sometime down the line.
I am glad the video brought up pay and the dude had the balls to say so. I hope the main point of that "there is no pilot shortage, just a shortage of qualified folks willing to work for less than McDonald's wages" keeps getting hammered into the public.
This is still coming to a head and something is going to have to give. I think we as a national pilot group have and will continue to stand united. Keep up the fight, guys!
I am glad the video brought up pay and the dude had the balls to say so. I hope the main point of that "there is no pilot shortage, just a shortage of qualified folks willing to work for less than McDonald's wages" keeps getting hammered into the public.
This is still coming to a head and something is going to have to give. I think we as a national pilot group have and will continue to stand united. Keep up the fight, guys!
02-05-2014 | 12:59 PM
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When it translates to dollars for us, then it will be here. Right now, management is holding back on pay increase. First option will be to shrink to fit. Once they can't shrink anymore, then I think the next step would be to increase pay. The first airline to do so will come out ahead.
The saying the management is using is "we must cut cost to be competitive." I'm hoping in the future the new saying will say "In exchange for operational efficiencies (co-domicile, dual type) we will offer a pay increase." This will combat the entry level of pay at the same time, increase their productivity. Our only saving grace will be the new rest rules. Then they won't be able to push us that hard. Time will tell...
The saying the management is using is "we must cut cost to be competitive." I'm hoping in the future the new saying will say "In exchange for operational efficiencies (co-domicile, dual type) we will offer a pay increase." This will combat the entry level of pay at the same time, increase their productivity. Our only saving grace will be the new rest rules. Then they won't be able to push us that hard. Time will tell...
You'll spend 10 years at your regional and real realize that there is nothing left. Don't pay for your raise!
02-05-2014 | 04:18 PM
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ALPA should have taken out a superbowl ad saying "Despite what you hear, there's no pilot shortage! Just a shortage of pilots wanting to fly for $19,000/year"
Or at least put it on billboards in the most major markets...just outside of ATL, JFK, ORD, IAD, DEN, etc...the customers would get the point...and then they'd go find the lowest fair possible and complain about the size of the jet. But at least they'd see the argument before Fox News, CNN, MSNBC, and the other idiots get a hold of it.
Or at least put it on billboards in the most major markets...just outside of ATL, JFK, ORD, IAD, DEN, etc...the customers would get the point...and then they'd go find the lowest fair possible and complain about the size of the jet. But at least they'd see the argument before Fox News, CNN, MSNBC, and the other idiots get a hold of it.
02-06-2014 | 04:51 AM
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ALPA should have taken out a superbowl ad saying "Despite what you hear, there's no pilot shortage! Just a shortage of pilots wanting to fly for $19,000/year"
Or at least put it on billboards in the most major markets...just outside of ATL, JFK, ORD, IAD, DEN, etc...the customers would get the point...and then they'd go find the lowest fair possible and complain about the size of the jet. But at least they'd see the argument before Fox News, CNN, MSNBC, and the other idiots get a hold of it.
Or at least put it on billboards in the most major markets...just outside of ATL, JFK, ORD, IAD, DEN, etc...the customers would get the point...and then they'd go find the lowest fair possible and complain about the size of the jet. But at least they'd see the argument before Fox News, CNN, MSNBC, and the other idiots get a hold of it.
02-06-2014 | 07:36 AM
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There are higher paying IT jobs out there, however, I would caution in putting your eggs in that basket. The days of the IT professional are numbered. Nobody knows how long for sure, but with all the push toward cloud computing, the days of in-house infrastructure and administration will be phased out. Companies like Amazon, NetApp, Microsoft, EMC (the list goes on) are working very diligently to push computing toward a transparent utility based model, where all the real computing will take place on the server side, administered by the provider. Read "The Big Switch: rewiring the world from Edison to Google" for some insight. For even more proof, just take a look at how the "network administration" jobs have disappeared over the last 20 years. Novell network administrators and Microsoft MCE's were in HOT demand throughout the 90's, now those certifications have become almost irrelevant (but not completely yet, there are still legacy systems out there). If you want to stay safer in the world of technology, pursue a degree in computer science/engineering. I would advise against a degree in information systems. I have spent much time in the industry, and the grass isn't greener for everyone in the field.
Sorry for the thread drift, carry on!
Sorry for the thread drift, carry on!
02-06-2014 | 12:57 PM
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It's a constant theme - there's a bunch of available pilots doing other work that would consider returning given an adjustment to the salary structure.
Nursing is in a similar dilemma - except it's with instructors. To be an instructor at a university you need a PhD. Then that professor gig pays 40% below "line" nurses. Why spent the time and money to get a PhD. for a significantly lower salary? So there's a bunch of people that want to become nurses and no one to teach them. Hence, like aviation, an industry induced shortage.
Nursing is in a similar dilemma - except it's with instructors. To be an instructor at a university you need a PhD. Then that professor gig pays 40% below "line" nurses. Why spent the time and money to get a PhD. for a significantly lower salary? So there's a bunch of people that want to become nurses and no one to teach them. Hence, like aviation, an industry induced shortage.
02-06-2014 | 03:15 PM
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