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Old 02-05-2014 | 05:42 AM
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Video - U.S. Pilot Shortfall Hits Earlier, Worse Than Expected - WSJ.com

It's officially here
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Old 02-05-2014 | 05:54 AM
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When it translates to dollars for us, then it will be here. Right now, management is holding back on pay increase. First option will be to shrink to fit. Once they can't shrink anymore, then I think the next step would be to increase pay. The first airline to do so will come out ahead.
The saying the management is using is "we must cut cost to be competitive." I'm hoping in the future the new saying will say "In exchange for operational efficiencies (co-domicile, dual type) we will offer a pay increase." This will combat the entry level of pay at the same time, increase their productivity. Our only saving grace will be the new rest rules. Then they won't be able to push us that hard. Time will tell...
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Old 02-05-2014 | 05:57 AM
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Title should read : "Poor pilot pay leads to lack of interest". There isn't one airline who's first year pay exceeds $35k who doesn't have a line out the door. $35k isn't shooting for the stars either.
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Old 02-05-2014 | 05:57 AM
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supply and demand! its show time!!
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Old 02-05-2014 | 06:07 AM
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Fancy marketing for the flight school mills is all that is . . . they're not paying enough to make me switch from my current IT gig or better yet, provide a better QOL!
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Old 02-05-2014 | 06:18 AM
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Originally Posted by DreFlyer
Fancy marketing for the flight school mills is all that is . . . they're not paying enough to make me switch from my current IT gig or better yet, provide a better QOL!
Same here. I have ATP mins and would love to fly for the airlines if they paid. When starting IT salaries are 60-80k, and 3 years experience pays 80-100 why would I ever leave?
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Old 02-05-2014 | 06:23 AM
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Fancy marketing for the flight school mills is all that is . . . they're not paying enough to make me switch from my current IT gig or better yet, provide a better QOL!
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Same here. I have ATP mins and would love to fly for the airlines if they paid. When starting IT salaries are 60-80k, and 3 years experience pays 80-100 why would I ever leave?
I'm in aviation getting another degree in IT. Can't wait to get out
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Old 02-05-2014 | 06:44 AM
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Old 02-05-2014 | 07:24 AM
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Gave up the airline life for a regular job and would love to get back into it...but here's the key, I'm in a good career field making a decent salary with earning potential up into the $130k range without the need for additional promotions etc...not a lot of incentive to leave this industry despite my love of aviation.

If aviation was offering decent salaries, good retirements, and something that remotely resembled job security then I'd jump on it...what's odd is that it's a very "secure" job with very "insecure" companies...the world is going to need pilots until they either make the aircraft unmanned or develop a new form of transportation, but companies that operate so near the breaking point really doesn't allow this reality to prove true.
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Old 02-05-2014 | 08:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Past V1
When it translates to dollars for us, then it will be here. Right now, management is holding back on pay increase. First option will be to shrink to fit. Once they can't shrink anymore, then I think the next step would be to increase pay. The first airline to do so will come out ahead.
The saying the management is using is "we must cut cost to be competitive." I'm hoping in the future the new saying will say "In exchange for operational efficiencies (co-domicile, dual type) we will offer a pay increase." This will combat the entry level of pay at the same time, increase their productivity. Our only saving grace will be the new rest rules. Then they won't be able to push us that hard. Time will tell...

^^^ Agree with the above, they will shrink and continue to reduce cost. They have already started by slowly getting rid of the 50 seaters 2:1 with 76 seaters. When it reaches the point that they start losing money on that process, then pay will go up. Meanwhile, the new rest rules will help prevent some of the abuse. This is setting up very well for the future. There's only one problem, our politicians can revert things when their flights home are being canceled and their communities are complaining about the lack or reduction of airline service. But, we shall see - says the blind man to the deaf man
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