Innocent until proven guilty absolutely does not apply in corporate America. That applies to government only.

Now there is a judicial safety valve, if someone is terminated because of something which truly was not their fault they can always sue to get their job back. But the company would probably do the right thing anyway if someone was actually innocent ("not guilty" or insufficient evidence is not the same as innocent).

Airline pilots, especially in the union environment, tend to adopt an entitlement mentality towards their employment. But nobody in the business world, or corporate aviation for that matter, would expect to keep their job after getting arrested and charged with a major crime. Businesses hire folks who will represent their company well, and they expect you to maintain that image in public.

 

You're right, I'm entitled to a job that would have been taken from me by a false accusation.

 

From a management perspective, i would agree. All you have to do is show me reasonable evidence that supports your case. But a pedo-predator with kiddie porn on his computer is going to have a tough time meeting that threshold.

Oh, let me guess, the NSA planted it there...

Like I said, beyond a reasonable doubt only applies in criminal trials. As a manager I would likely go with something like preponderance of evidence which is the civil trial standard.

But again...if you work for a reputable employer stay the hell out of jail if you want to keep your job. Not too many white-collar professional types get wrongly arrested.

This conversation only applies to major crimes, where someone is going to miss a lot of work due to lack of bail or a lengthy trial. If some gets a "minor" bust like DUI, they can call in sick, post bail, and be back on the job before anyone's the wiser.

I'm just telling you how it is, don't shoot the messenger.

Now with all that said, unions can have contractual provisions which preserve the criminal's job. There was a case involving a USPS carrier in my hometown where the guy did time for child sex abuse and got his job back after prison...apparently the postal union rules only allowed them to fire the guy if he committed a crime on the job, abusing kids on his own time was A-OK. IIRC he subsequently had issues with his mail route since convicted sex offenders have to stay a certain distance from schools. Personally I think unions are shooting themselves in the foot when they adopt provisions that go that far in support of errant members.

 

I'm sure some of the forum's more savvy business owners would be right at the front of the line to keep convicted criminals (felons) as the faces of their companies - of course depending on what type of company you own.

 

You'd be surprised. I work for a S&P 500 company.

Oftentimes, I'm the only person on a crew who has not done time in prison.

 

9E had a CA and a FA run buttnaked through the woods after a romping session with flip flops and a wristwatch on a MDT layover. Both kept their jobs so I'm assuming this guy was also fine with the charges dismissed. The article mentions May 07 and I flew with him on several occasions during my time at 9E.

 

Flight Crew? Or highway asphalt crew?

We need to get you another job.

 

That falls into the harmless fun category. A company might fire you because of the "image" issue, or they might not. But I wouldn't have a problem flying with them...

You flew with the pedophile? The one who's supposedly in the federal pen in TX? Somebody's story doesn't match up with somebody else's.

There are few absolutes in life, and even fewer on the internet but I can say with absolute certainty that I would not fly with a known pedophile, convicted or otherwise. I have small kids. I'd just as soon kill someone like that as look at them.

 

Drilling crew.

 

I'd write a lot more if I weren't on my phone but that's an excellent reply man!

I totally agree that the evidence against this guy is enough for ME to kick him to the curb, I'm just concerned about a guy who gets picked up on suspicion of a crime and held for a weekend. That would suck, and at my company he would be terminated for two no-shows. Of course Monday morning the LAPD would release him but the damage would be done.