Eagle, the gift that keeps on giving
 

Would you be willing to perform the duties of an A&P? The Dir. of Flight Ops sure hopes so.

https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/AEPilot

where did you find that?

They can't be serious.

Although I would find it hilarious to see their results skewed due to the fact anyone can answer it

it is true. just to show you how safe the eagle operation via management decision is, very unsafe orientated managers here at eagle.

That would bring serious implications as far as duty periods and rest. That said, I have my A&P and would not undercut other mechanics by performing work for a regional while piloting for them.

The standard call out fee would be a minimum of 4 hours of pay at an overtime rate on a base rate of $106/hr (the shop rate at the last repair station I worked at.) That's $636 just for the first 4 hours. I bet they would try to just pay a regional pilot straight time at their normal rate.

This should be a flat no from any pilot that is a mechanic as we do not need to start putting mechanics out of a job by undercutting them.

Wait. Don't give Mesa or GoJets any ideas now!

more like per diem if they are lucky.

Under 121, I don't believe you can sign off an a/c mx item and then go fly it.

PSA has a chance to undercut other jobs now, I bet they're enthusiasm is through the roof.

Do you need to mention PSA in every thread you post in? Do you dream about PSA at night? Do you think about PSA and how terrible we are all day even when not at work? Do you talk to your non aviation friends about PSA? Do you have friends?

This thread has NOTHING to do with PSA, why bring it up?

I fixed that their over there that you spelled they're.

See what I did THERE?

Bzzt already admitted that he would've been a yes voter and doesn't care about anyone but himself. No need to defend PSA especially to someone like him when you and I voted no. People are crying that PSA took concessions when our pay is above average and with the new contract, we can easily credit 120+ hours while flying 90 hours. Plus we haven't took ANY of eagle's flying. I've seen two other regionals actually flying in eagle's colors and one of them gets paid a lot less than we do. But yea continue to the rag on PSA. Not sure what you think you can change at this point.

I find this amusing, BZZT and Embraer bash on PSA after their vote, PSA folks tell them to just wait their turn, then Eagle gets concession offers from management in exchange for airplanes and these two are falling over themselves to vote yes! The MEC turns it down and BZZT goes back to bashing PSA!

Ohh, can't we all just get along?

If you quit Envoy and go to PSA, then maybe this time your yes vote will count !

I just hate to see a perfectly good "yes" (because it's good for me) vote go to waste. :rolleyes:

Bi-polar maybe?

Really? Don't u work at RAH?

The one flying for less has been without a contract for over 7 years, refusing to prostitute themselves for less than they deserve.
And while everybody else has been voting no, the PSA excuse is what again?

Is Joliet a management stooge or just a moron? Both? You decide...

Joliet:
I will put it in bold letters for you to get it through that skull of yours;
THE PILOTS OF AMERICAN EAGLE TOLD THERE REPRESENTATIVES TO VOTE NO.
THE PILOTS REPRESENTATIVES MAJORITY VOTED NO.
THE PILOTS OF AMERICAN EAGLE SPOKE THROUGH THERE REPRESENTATIVES.
Now take you spineless useless trolling back to management. Just like the capt rep in ORD who viewed this unimportant for him to show up to state his case for why he was a yes vote when majority of his pilots in ORD were telling him NO, so he sent his proxy instead.

THE PILOTS OF AMERICAN EAGLE Joliet (management troll) voted via there representatives. That is one of the procedures. We don't have representatives that just pass any piece of shi+ to the members as you would like, we stop the stupidity where it should be stopped.

Now go back in your hole in some managements a zz.

Im, uh, hungry now.

Dammit.

yes we would be constantly hungry if we listen Joliet regarding contracts.

What? Wait so the guy was being harassed and intimidated, and had previous engagements, so using a proxy, which is one of the procedures is wrong? Then you bullied the other representative into voting no? You should be proud of yourself. Voter intimidation is all the rage. Why not let the pilot's decide? Maybe because you were in the minority? I mean it doesn't really matter that much now as it is water under the bridge, but don't blatantly lie about voting no when the truth is somewhat different.

Not true. I would bring "Snacks."

voter intimidation now that is a laugh on an alpa property.
The only prior engagement the capt rep in ord had was to **** on himself.,
guess when members tell there representatives to vote no that is intimidation but if they tell them vote yes that is proper.

yes troller, it was shot down and so will the next one unless it is way better.

and for psa coming to dfw well maybe they have to go somewhere with the airplanes since they lose 24 slots in dca. they are welcomed to the party as long as you come too. we would love to see you in person in dfw.

I vote we have AE start parking at the E concourse in CLT. That would be a good time. But let me get my popcorn and soda first. Along with a good seat to watch it all.

No question... Both!

This may be a dumb question, but is Eagle hiring? I still see an ad for the Eagle Pipeline program on FindAPilot. What is being said to the CFI's that interviewed at Eagle and were successful and given a class date once they reach ATP mins?

Yes we're hiring, I don't know why anyone is coming here or what they're being told.

Understood. Thanks Bzzt. If they're "shrinking until able to liquidate", why in the world would they still be hiring? Sounds like a bluff to me on management's part...

It'll probably happen soon, but why would it be a "good time"? Not sure what you're getting at.

We are not being liquidared. Management retracted from that threat.

What? They aren't? I would think that would be posted all over the place on here (no this forum is gospel or anything). Since when did they retract that threat?

13 February 2014

ALPA MEC Declines to Send Agreement to Our Pilots for a Ratification Vote

Dear Team,



I am extremely disappointed the Master Executive Council (MEC) of the Air Line Pilots Association (ALPA) decided yesterday not to send the Tentative Agreement (TA) to our pilots for a ratification vote. Unfortunately, their decision to deny our pilots a vote means the loss of what would have been a very important opportunity for each individual pilot, our company and all the people who work here.



Before discussing what this means for us moving forward, I want to give you some background about what happened between the time the negotiations began and yesterday’s MEC decision. Beginning last December, our team worked tirelessly with the MEC’s negotiating committee to craft an agreement that not only contained compromises by both sides, but also would have benefited both the company and our pilots. On Jan. 10, the MEC ultimately agreed to what became the Agreement in Principle (AIP). The parties then began working over the last month to develop detailed contract language from the AIP to create the TA.



The TA’s terms addressed each of the most important priorities for our pilots that ALPA identified, while staying within the economic framework supported by company. If ratified by our pilots, it would have: enhanced our pilots’ job security; improved their ability to quickly advance their careers here and at American Airlines with industry-leading flow through; provided us with our first-ever fleet commitment for a minimum of 170 aircraft; and ensured the placement of new, larger regional jets, the Embraer 175s (E175), at our company. The resulting language from this back and forth was deemed satisfactory and in keeping with the AIP by both the company and the MEC’s negotiating committee. This was then sent to the MEC and yesterday they declined to send it out for a pilot vote.



American has now informed us they have no choice but to begin looking for another regional carrier or carriers to operate their E175s. American has held off on making this decision as long as possible, as they wanted to give our pilots the chance to do this flying. This was discussed with ALPA and with yesterday’s MEC decision, American can’t wait any longer and will begin these efforts immediately.



American Eagle Airlines will continue to work toward making our flying operation as competitive as possible while addressing the downsizing of our fleet and related staffing in the coming years. Unfortunately, many difficult decisions will have to be made during this time. We will proceed with retiring some of the smaller aircraft in our current fleet. American can also be expected to look for more economic options to provide regional feed and, eventually, other and more cost-effective carriers will fly the larger aircraft currently on our certificate such as the Bombardier CRJ700s.



While the AIP would have offered our pilots and our flying business a robust future, I do want to stress our company does not and has not relied on flying alone to generate growth and revenue. American Eagle Airlines will remain an airline, even with our reduced flying operation. The ALPA MEC’s statement asking us to provide a timetable for the company's "liquidation" is not something we can provide as we are not planning to shut down the airline. Our ground handling operation continues to thrive and we have added new business and employees there at a rapid pace and will aggressively seek to continue this trend. The MEC’s decision does not change or impact this and opportunities still exist there, but I have no reason to believe American will offer us new large regional jet flying after these unsuccessful negotiations.



I commit to keeping you updated on this process, news and developments as we move forward and as more details are known.



As always, thank you for all of your work on behalf of our customers and company.



Regards,


Pedro

They are trying to keep the emb fleet operational until they can be replaced with ejets - that is all that is happening
RAH discovered that promising 175 flying puts butts in the seat UNTIL they learn it will be something smaller - then the newhire walks.
The promise of large RJ flying was a stop gap measure to get people to stay as was the supposed Flow Through provision.
Nothing prevents AAG from promising and taking a few large RJ's to accomplish the short term goal of transitioning from the 140/145 fleet when a critical mass is reached. That is all they care about not some loyalty reward program for pilots who gutted it out and made it work. This kind of thinking will get you a door slam to the derriere in the "end."

You are correct they plan on keeping the 145's flying as they are slowly replaced with 175's flown by other regional partners, not Envoy. So no, its not liquidation but its a slow shutdown of L-AE flying.

Agreed. They are right on track in parking those 140's. CRJ's are next to be gone starting 2015.

Just wondering, has Eagle stopped interviewing and cancelled all new hire classes?

Not to my knowledge. But the latest new hire class has 6 eaglets.

What would be the thinking behind people wanting to get hired there, build seniority, then eventually be out of a job once AE/Envoy finds others to do their flying?