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aviatorhi 02-17-2014 05:44 PM

Not to be pedantic, but isn't the rule change just additional requirements for the ATP written... Not the ATP ride/training itself?

SimJumpSeat 02-17-2014 05:49 PM


Originally Posted by aviatorhi (Post 1583952)
Not to be pedantic, but isn't the rule change just additional requirements for the ATP written... Not the ATP ride/training itself?

Click Here: New Training Rule To Cost Upcoming ATPs Thousands of Dollars | Aviation International News

Coool Hand Luke 02-17-2014 06:02 PM


Originally Posted by SimJumpSeat (Post 1583933)
The point I was originally trying to make.....

New Training Rule To Cost Upcoming ATPs Thousands of Dollars | Aviation International News

Simuflite and FSI are already the leaders in the business.....they already have the staff, the classrooms, the simulators, the regulatory paperwork, etc. in place to meet the 30hr ground and 10hr flight requirements.....they also have the FAA approval and can easily get any approval required because the FAA is already onsite on a daily basis. In DFW, the FAA has a brand new building and an entire staff of aviation safety inspectors (formerly at the FTW flight standards office) dedicated to nothing but part 142 oversight among the local training centers......an entire building full of inspectors!! Each and every aircraft requiring a type rating or specific training (ie: King Air 200) has its own "group" of safety inspectors. I promise 142 training centers will be the "go to" facilities for this training in the future. Sorry to disappoint, but come August, passing an ATP ride will not as easy as booking some heavy sim time and flying to the required standards.

This is spot on.

mojo6911 02-17-2014 06:43 PM

Whhooooooo cares?

seafeye 02-17-2014 06:57 PM


Originally Posted by mojo6911 (Post 1584007)
Whhooooooo cares?

Now that is a mainline attitude. Not caring about those behind you.

SimJumpSeat 02-17-2014 08:34 PM


Originally Posted by mojo6911 (Post 1584056)
The NPRM came out what, 2-3 years ago? People had plenty of time to knock it out. I did my ATP in a 172 so I wouldn't have to worry about it.

Congratulations....

Now, how does that help those who turn into pumpkins in August.....along with the option of taking ATP rides in 172s:confused:

SkylaneRG 02-17-2014 08:54 PM


Originally Posted by Doug Heffernan (Post 1583678)
My understanding is that your written score will be grandfathered in for 24 months if you pass it before this goes into effect in July 2014.

Yep... and that's why I am taking the ATP written in July, in hopes that by 2016 I can hit 1500. I suggest people in similar situations do the same. Unfortunately I cannot convince some of my friends and coworkers about this.

Grrrr 02-18-2014 01:33 AM

I would assume that after the first 12 months or so, the airlines will start including the training, they'll be forced to once they start to see a bunch of their 1500 hour applicants need it. Would suck to miss the deadline and have 1500 hours but still not be hirable until you fork over the thousands of $$ yourself though, and unfortunately that will happen bc I've talked to several people who had never heard of this somehow.

CBreezy 02-18-2014 01:38 AM


Originally Posted by SkylaneRG (Post 1584088)
Yep... and that's why I am taking the ATP written in July, in hopes that by 2016 I can hit 1500. I suggest people in similar situations do the same. Unfortunately I cannot convince some of my friends and coworkers about this.

Well, then they deserve to pay the price. This is has been looming on the horizon for YEARS. If you don't take the test by the cut off then have to foot the bill, I have zero sympathy for your stupidity.

Radials Rule 02-18-2014 02:26 AM


Originally Posted by Grrrr (Post 1584127)
I would assume that after the first 12 months or so, the airlines will start including the training, they'll be forced to once they start to see a bunch of their 1500 hour applicants need it. Would suck to miss the deadline and have 1500 hours but still not be hirable until you fork over the thousands of $$ yourself though, and unfortunately that will happen bc I've talked to several people who had never heard of this somehow.

Just to clarify, this should say "low paying regional airlines" (I know, redundant). The majors and the quality nationals/LCC's don't have and never will have a shortage of qualified applicants....at least in the foreseeable future.

I know this is a forum for regionals, but I think any opportunity to quash the notion that there is pilot shortage for the entire industry should be taken.


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