(Teamsters) Looming pilot shortage is a myth
02-19-2014 | 08:33 AM
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Not the best source perhaps but still interesting.
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Union Says Lack Of Pay And Respect Leading To Pilot Shortage, Number Of Qualified Pilots Under New Rules [is] Not A Primary Factor...
(02/17/2014, Aero News) Pilots who fly for one of the nation's largest regional airline companies say it's not a lack of qualified pilots, but rather a lack of pay and respect that's grounding airplanes and could cause a ripple effect in the nation's air transportation system. As an example, the union said Republic Airways Holdings announced this week that it would operate 27 fewer airplanes and expects to hire almost half the number of pilots anticipated in 2014 due a lack of candidates who meet new FAA rules mandating 1,500 hours of experience. However, the issues are more complex according to International Brotherhood of Teamsters Local No. 357 which represents the 3000+ pilots who fly for the Indianapolis-based airline. "Regional carriers as a whole need to offer better pay and work rules to attract new pilots,” said Local 357 President Craig Moffatt. "The lack of a competitive contract here at Republic contributes to poor quality of life with sub-standard pay to boot. This, in turn, leads qualified pilots to look elsewhere."
The current collective bargaining agreement (CBA) or contract was ratified in 2003 and became amendable in October of 2007. Pilots are covered by the Railway Labor Act, so the contract does not expire. Negotiations began in April 2007 and entered mediation in 2011. Local 357 pilots have been without a contractual raise or an adjustment of work rules to reflect industry and economic changes for over six years—and counting. Regional carriers are a key link in the nation's air-transportation system. Approximately half of the nation's domestic flights are outsourced to regional airlines rather than flown by a larger carrier. Republic Airways Holdings owns and operates Chautauqua Airlines, Republic Airlines and Shuttle America Airlines which in turn fly for American, United, Delta and US Airways.
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Union Says Lack Of Pay And Respect Leading To Pilot Shortage, Number Of Qualified Pilots Under New Rules [is] Not A Primary Factor...
(02/17/2014, Aero News) Pilots who fly for one of the nation's largest regional airline companies say it's not a lack of qualified pilots, but rather a lack of pay and respect that's grounding airplanes and could cause a ripple effect in the nation's air transportation system. As an example, the union said Republic Airways Holdings announced this week that it would operate 27 fewer airplanes and expects to hire almost half the number of pilots anticipated in 2014 due a lack of candidates who meet new FAA rules mandating 1,500 hours of experience. However, the issues are more complex according to International Brotherhood of Teamsters Local No. 357 which represents the 3000+ pilots who fly for the Indianapolis-based airline. "Regional carriers as a whole need to offer better pay and work rules to attract new pilots,” said Local 357 President Craig Moffatt. "The lack of a competitive contract here at Republic contributes to poor quality of life with sub-standard pay to boot. This, in turn, leads qualified pilots to look elsewhere."
The current collective bargaining agreement (CBA) or contract was ratified in 2003 and became amendable in October of 2007. Pilots are covered by the Railway Labor Act, so the contract does not expire. Negotiations began in April 2007 and entered mediation in 2011. Local 357 pilots have been without a contractual raise or an adjustment of work rules to reflect industry and economic changes for over six years—and counting. Regional carriers are a key link in the nation's air-transportation system. Approximately half of the nation's domestic flights are outsourced to regional airlines rather than flown by a larger carrier. Republic Airways Holdings owns and operates Chautauqua Airlines, Republic Airlines and Shuttle America Airlines which in turn fly for American, United, Delta and US Airways.
No mudslinging at you Cub, but anyone who assumes this clown speaks for the Teamsters would also have to assume that Joe the Plumber speaker for the Plumbers union.
Looks like Aero News needs to explain to their writers how to properly source an article.
02-19-2014 | 06:08 PM
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Really good to see this discussion
It is important for every pilot to understand what is going on with our (Money / Freedom).
these 2 vids cover almost all of it.
"God Save The Republic"
NWO, Secret Societies & Biblical Prophecy: Vol 1 (Revised) - YouTube
The Money Masters - How International Bankers Gained Control of America. - YouTube
these 2 vids cover almost all of it.
"God Save The Republic"
NWO, Secret Societies & Biblical Prophecy: Vol 1 (Revised) - YouTube
The Money Masters - How International Bankers Gained Control of America. - YouTube
02-19-2014 | 08:59 PM
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It's probably worse than that.
There's a sector of aviation I tried to get into for a long time, and it was explained to me that there are fewer FOs in that sector than there are Green Bay Packers.
This is an industry for being a whole candidate, not just a set of qualifications. No one will pick you out of the pool of employees and plug you into a good job, you've got to make yourself the best fit and fight to get plugged in everywhere possible.
I think a lot of people really believed that if they worked hard and followed the CFI, regional major plan, it would all work out.
I can't believe it wasn't even 10 years ago that I remember CFIs sitting around with 700 hours talking about all the offers they had.
02-20-2014 | 05:19 AM
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Very true, but you'd be surprised how many mainline guys say "when are you coming to (Delta United American)?" or, if they see you have been at a regional for 5 or more years, "how come you never applied to (Delta United American)?" Probably less in the majors that make that assumption, but they are there.
02-20-2014 | 05:55 AM
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From: Director of Operations, Agent for Service
Pilot Career Initiative
Dissent to NADA/F Dissent of September 6, 2010
September 11, 2010
Pilot Career Initiative (PCI) is an Ad Hoc group of aviation professionals formed in October 2009. PCI is comprised of representatives of higher education, airline executives as well as training experts, aviation academy representatives, and other dedicated aviation professionals. Because of this diversity, PCI is able to draw on the training as well as safety resources and expertise of airlines, universities, academies and manufacturers. The group was formed due to there mutual concerns for the image of the career of a professional pilot and lack of educational funding. At the time the group was forming, H.R. 3379 was being pushed through congress by what appeared to special interest groups and non‐aviation groups responding to sensational journalistic reporting in the wake of CO3407 and other regional aircraft accidents prior to that. While well intended, PCI believed H.R.3379, as written, would fall short of the objectives of congress.
Following are PCI’s dissents of NADA/F’s specific statements:
There is an issue of a corporate culture, and its detrimental effect to the aviation industry when the traveling public learns of $17,000 to $19,000 pay per year for Part 121 FO’s, and learns that they did not have sufficient training or experience in icing or other bad weather situations.
The American People and Traveling Public want experienced pilots in the cockpit, and we believe that higher pay will attract more experienced pilots.
The Part 121 carriers could provide the needed flight hours to gain that 1,500 flight hours of experience, and they could raise their starting pay to $40,000, or better yet, $60,000+ a year. They would have their choice of thousands of experienced and trained pilots with thousands of hours, who are retired military, and/or formerly with larger airlines, overseas experience, or a combination of flight hours and training.
No one has discussed the psychological factors that could impact someone’s performance on the job, when a young pilot is burdened with low pay, student loans, fatigue, and pressure to possibly work two or more jobs. Many young pilots from the 4-year academic programs have student loans, and a $100,000 student loan is about $1,000 a month for 30 years to pay back. Young pilots take the $19,000 a year pilot job and may work second jobs just to pay their student loan and rent/food. This pathetic pay puts FO new hire pilots in a terrible personal situation, which is not conducive for the focus and energy needed to be a commercial airline pilot.
FOQ ARC Report September 28, 2010 66
5.0 Minority Opinions
FOQ ARC Report September 28, 2010 67
Experienced pilots cannot afford to work for $19,000 and probably know it is not safe to be a commercial airline pilot while forced to work two or more jobs.”
PCI: PCI finds this statement subjective, out of scope, and unbalanced. PCI agrees that as agreed between senior pilots and the company, the junior F/O pay is unattractive. PCI strongly believes the discussion, while important, has no place in the scope of the FOQ ARC and would prefer not to see a seat on the ARC to be used to further an agenda not specifically within the boundaries of the scope of the ARC.
Respectfully Submitted: John A. O’Brien PCI [email protected]
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I like the part where they complain about sensationalized journalistic reporting yet here we are today, 4-years-later, and they are enjoying all the reporting about a pilot shortage. There is no pilot shortage, as was noted above in the report these airline executives responded to. There is simply a shortage of pilots willing to work under the salary and conditions that exist in the regional airline business today. There is nothing new that wasn't predicted 4-years-ago. Nothing.
Dissent to NADA/F Dissent of September 6, 2010
September 11, 2010
Pilot Career Initiative (PCI) is an Ad Hoc group of aviation professionals formed in October 2009. PCI is comprised of representatives of higher education, airline executives as well as training experts, aviation academy representatives, and other dedicated aviation professionals. Because of this diversity, PCI is able to draw on the training as well as safety resources and expertise of airlines, universities, academies and manufacturers. The group was formed due to there mutual concerns for the image of the career of a professional pilot and lack of educational funding. At the time the group was forming, H.R. 3379 was being pushed through congress by what appeared to special interest groups and non‐aviation groups responding to sensational journalistic reporting in the wake of CO3407 and other regional aircraft accidents prior to that. While well intended, PCI believed H.R.3379, as written, would fall short of the objectives of congress.
Following are PCI’s dissents of NADA/F’s specific statements:
There is an issue of a corporate culture, and its detrimental effect to the aviation industry when the traveling public learns of $17,000 to $19,000 pay per year for Part 121 FO’s, and learns that they did not have sufficient training or experience in icing or other bad weather situations.
The American People and Traveling Public want experienced pilots in the cockpit, and we believe that higher pay will attract more experienced pilots.
The Part 121 carriers could provide the needed flight hours to gain that 1,500 flight hours of experience, and they could raise their starting pay to $40,000, or better yet, $60,000+ a year. They would have their choice of thousands of experienced and trained pilots with thousands of hours, who are retired military, and/or formerly with larger airlines, overseas experience, or a combination of flight hours and training.
No one has discussed the psychological factors that could impact someone’s performance on the job, when a young pilot is burdened with low pay, student loans, fatigue, and pressure to possibly work two or more jobs. Many young pilots from the 4-year academic programs have student loans, and a $100,000 student loan is about $1,000 a month for 30 years to pay back. Young pilots take the $19,000 a year pilot job and may work second jobs just to pay their student loan and rent/food. This pathetic pay puts FO new hire pilots in a terrible personal situation, which is not conducive for the focus and energy needed to be a commercial airline pilot.
FOQ ARC Report September 28, 2010 66
5.0 Minority Opinions
FOQ ARC Report September 28, 2010 67
Experienced pilots cannot afford to work for $19,000 and probably know it is not safe to be a commercial airline pilot while forced to work two or more jobs.”
PCI: PCI finds this statement subjective, out of scope, and unbalanced. PCI agrees that as agreed between senior pilots and the company, the junior F/O pay is unattractive. PCI strongly believes the discussion, while important, has no place in the scope of the FOQ ARC and would prefer not to see a seat on the ARC to be used to further an agenda not specifically within the boundaries of the scope of the ARC.
Respectfully Submitted: John A. O’Brien PCI [email protected]
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I like the part where they complain about sensationalized journalistic reporting yet here we are today, 4-years-later, and they are enjoying all the reporting about a pilot shortage. There is no pilot shortage, as was noted above in the report these airline executives responded to. There is simply a shortage of pilots willing to work under the salary and conditions that exist in the regional airline business today. There is nothing new that wasn't predicted 4-years-ago. Nothing.
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02-20-2014 | 08:32 AM
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