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Old 05-21-2007, 11:58 AM   #1  
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I was in the school house during the MD-11 passover pay issue and didn't have to to follow the issue very close. I would like to know what happened and what was FDX ALPA's response to the issue.

from my understanding someone bid and received MD-11 ANC.

Did that person actually START training? THEN a subsequent bid closed, they received MD11 MEM. Finished training, then activated in MEM prior to more senior crewmembers. Triggering a pass-over pay event.

can someone chime in on what EXACTLY happened? and union's response?

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Old 05-21-2007, 07:09 PM   #2  
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Go up to the right hand corner of the Cargo forum page where it says search this forum and type in FedEx passover pay. If you don't have enough posts to search, go to page 21 of the Cargo forum and you will see a thread titled FedEx passover pay started by Coffee*****.

That thread has just about all the info you missed while in the school house.

I'd do a link if I knew how but I don't. Sorry.

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Hey, I just noticed. At the bottom of this thread is a category of similar threads. Just click on the Fedex Passover Pay thread started by Coffee***** there (it is the same one) and it will take you to it.
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Old 05-21-2007, 09:58 PM   #3  
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Go up to the right hand corner of the Cargo forum page where it says search this forum and type in FedEx passover pay.

Passover pay? Do they pay you guys for all the Jewish holidays, or is it just Passover? We missed that in this contract
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Passover pay? Do they pay you guys for all the Jewish holidays, or is it just Passover? We missed that in this contract
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Now that is funny!
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Old 05-22-2007, 06:07 PM   #5  
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Bottom line is ALPA rolled over on us (the 200 or so affected) because of a conflicting stance concerning a grievance on standing bid 02-02.
I emailed the union concerning this issue and received both phone and email response to the effect of, "we don't have the negotiating power to resolve this issue with the company, and our lawyers think it's not worth pursuing."
I was ok with that description of the issue until I recieved an email saying would be paid $150 as a result of a settlement concerning grievance on 02-02.
I wasn't even on the property on bid 02-02, so why am I being compensated for a grievance on that bid? I think it's because I b!tched about the issue at hand, the Union knows it's a potential nightmare, and they're trying to buy off the folks who actually see the issue for what it is.
It seems reprehensible that the union not only caved to mgmt on this isssue, but also failed to inform the membership at large, let alone the ones directly affected, and then proceeded to offer "hush money" in the feeble amount of $150 to placate the ones that complained.
I know many people who are affected by this passover pay issue who have not made any written or spoken statements about it who HAVE NOT received a notification of pay.
I have only one conclusion to make; we got SCREWED, the ones that complained about it got $150 in "hush money", the ones that didn't complain were presumed too ignorant to know they got screwed, and were ignored.
My ignorant, "new-hire" three-year-tenure brain has searched the contract through and through, and found NO instance warranting a one-time $150 payment for anything, let alone a contentious passover pay situation.
I'm a simpleton...if it smells wrong...sounds wrong...feels wrong...IT'S WRONG. Why am I getting $150 when half the guys affected by this issue haven't yet? Methinks it because they havent complained yet. So, if you want your HUSH MONEY, you'd better complain NOW that you are P!SSED about not getting due passover pay
P.S. - I recieved a notification of pay three months ago -I have YET to see that $150 check!
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Same notification same $0.00 gain in the check. I called contract enforcement when this issue came up back when and was told "..I'm tired of this issue and you should be happy to have a job." At least he was honest..."your not getting any passover pay..."
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Lets all remember something here, the union "ALPA" is supposed to give equal representation to us all, regardless of our pay(contribution). I have been an ALPA member for 8 years, 7 of which were with a previous company. My previous company was a regional airline. We were a smaller contribution and therefore received less attention. These are the cold hard facts.

We as an ALPA pilot group and NEED to accept the concerns of all pilots. It makes me worried to here people here making fun of junior guys making a fuss over passover pay. There are senior guys getting their retirement, medical(VEBA), ect.. paid by these junior pilots. Chances are, these same benefits will not be available to the junior guy down the road(Social Security ring a bell).

It seems to me that this transfer issue(ANC-MEM), is in essence, creating a loophole for the company. It is allowing the company to place pilots into positions that are normally bid on, without bidding. It appears that this is a clear position for passover pay. Calling it something different like a "Transfer Bid" is an insult.

I am not affected by this issue, but I can understand the pain that these fellow pilots/ALPA members are feeling. Lets quit calling eachother whiners, greedy, and selfish and remember we are all after the same goal. We all want to be treated with respect, regardless of where we presently sit with the company, or how long we have been here. Its real easy to point the "Selfish" finger towards every pilot here, so lets quit doing it before it ruins the good thing we all have going.
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For all of you that have questions on this issue, please call the FDX MEC office and ask to talk to Terry McTigue, Eric Iverson, or Coy Briant and they will fill you in on what happened with this issue.
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Bottom line is ALPA rolled over on us (the 200 or so affected) because of a conflicting stance concerning a grievance on standing bid 02-02.

When a grievance is filed, the Company has an opportunity to reflect on their actions, determine if they complied with the letter and spirit of the contract, and decide to stand by their previous action, or change it. If The Company and the Association disagree on the interpretation, the grievance can ultimately be decided by an arbitrator. He uses the Collective Bargaining Agreement to make his decision.


Please provide the Paragraph of the Contract, and quote it, that you would ask the Arbitrator to use to resolve the dispute in favor of the "grieved" pilot. In other words, what part of the Contract did the Union fail to defend when they (we), as you say, "rolled over" on you?





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Same notification same $0.00 gain in the check. I called contract enforcement when this issue came up back when and was told "..I'm tired of this issue and you should be happy to have a job." At least he was honest..."your not getting any passover pay..."
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If this communication from the MEC is exactly as you have quoted thn this makes for a very definitive loud and clear complaint that the leadership should address. Have you ever complained to the flock (us) so we could also support you? Just curious.
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