Now that the Addendum is out, what specifically makes this a no vote? And if you're not comfortable explaining your reasoning here, feel free to use the Union forum.

On the flip side of that, what makes this a yes for some?

 

I'm not involved in this thread, but I just want to thank CaptainCarl and Salukipilot for making the regional section of this forum entertaining. I'm cracking up over here.

Well done, gents.

 

1. No communication from the union that they were going to seek a last minute addendum to the LOA until the day the voting opens. All we were told is that they would pass on our concerns to management. I've been part of a union that didn't communicate effectively before... hint: it's not good.

2. 4 pages to "clarify" something they should have never screwed up in the first place. That, and the "clarification" is just going to lead to more confusion. It would have been easier just to give the reserves an extra day off each month (12) and not mess with this whole 18 day block that you can now modify after the bid award. Besides... where does it say that scheduling can't deny the days that you might want off as a reserve?

3. Still concessionary... plus the whole thing is pretty much a mess.

4. I have made comments and asked questions on the union board only to either be misled by those "in the know" or flat out not have questions answered at all. Sorry, but the union forum requires regular participation by all parties (including the ExCo) and until that happens, it will be a very ineffective place to answer questions or voice concerns.

 

It's still a NO from me because this LOA is a mess. There are too many words & loopholes. They need to scratch this & start over!

 

Don't forget to tune into the conference call today. If you miss it, I'll post a recap on the Union forum.

 

I hate words also!

 

After re-reading the LOA and the Addendum, I can't find very many reasons not to vote in favor of this LOA. However, that being said, this vote is a personal choice for each of us and everyone should vote according to how it affects them personally. If it benefits you, vote yes. If not, vote no.

However, that said, I'm always open to more discussion and I won't cast my vote until March 14th.

 

Is there still 18 days in a row if reserve?!?!

 

Yes, that still stands but with some provisions:

1. Reserve pilots are entitled to require Scheduling to modify their reserve schedule to reflect 2 days off in a 7-day period (read: 5 on, 2 off) with exactly 11 days off per month. So a 30-day-month's schedule would look like this: 5 on, 2 off, 5 on, 2 off, 5 on, 2 off, 4 on, 5 off (or 6 off if 31-day-month).

2. Reserve pilots (who don't opt for the option above) are guaranteed 1 day off in base in a 7-day period. So no 18 days of reserve out-of-base.

3. Days off are immovable. "The LOA’s “strike-through” of the contractual provisions which previously required that a modified reserve line contain at least eleven (11) days off was performed solely in recognition of the fact that reserve lines will, upon ratification of the LOA, always contain more than eleven (11) days off, with the exception of reserve lines modified under the provisions of paragraph 1.a.i. above (in which case such reserve pilot may receive exactly eleven (11) days off), unless the pilot consents to additional duty on days off, or as described in the LOA."

4. Training cannot be scheduled on days off without the pilot's consent.

BF (our Chief Negotiator) was correct in saying that there's some good money to be made by reserve pilots.

 

Well im thoroughly confused by all of this. So basically:

Option A: a reserve can request his scheduled 5 days on and 2 days off. When they live out of base, or
Option B: 18 schedule days , with 1 day off after the 7th day if you live in base.

However I still don't see how either are beneficial? Especially financially beneficial