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02-24-2014 | 08:17 AM
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02-24-2014 | 09:04 AM
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...Just because the min for the FAA is just to have an ATP does not cut it. If they would only follow that and something happens the FAA will make them explain what they were thinking hiring a pilot with a trend of failures and a record. We have seen what that can cause in the past...
...I hope as a "Professional pilot" that we never hear that it is ok to hire pilots with DUI, criminal records and a trend of failures just because we have a shortage of pilots. I know some places will eventually because they are getting desperate.
I wish the Regionals would instead increase the pay and use that to attract enough "Professional" pilots instead of lowering the bar.
There are a lot of pilots outside the profession without any problems or records that are doing something else because the Regionals do not pay enough.
I wish the Regionals would instead increase the pay and use that to attract enough "Professional" pilots instead of lowering the bar.
There are a lot of pilots outside the profession without any problems or records that are doing something else because the Regionals do not pay enough.
02-24-2014 | 09:06 AM
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Being a "professional" pilot includes making sure one never gets a DUI and that one never gets a Criminal record.
Big part of being a Professional Airline Pilot is having good judgement and DUI and a record shows a weakness in judgement.
When it comes to failed checkrides it is looked at every individual case and it depends what they failed and if there is a trend or not.
Any company in any industry that hires "Professionals" have requirements and a min acceptable qualifications.
Just because the min for the FAA is just to have an ATP does not cut it. If they would only follow that and something happens the FAA will make them explain what they were thinking hiring a pilot with a trend of failures and a record. We have seen what that can cause in the past.
I hope as a "Professional pilot" that we never hear that it is ok to hire pilots with DUI, criminal records and a trend of failures just because we have a shortage of pilots. I know some places will eventually because they are getting desperate.
I wish the Regionals would instead increase the pay and use that to attract enough "Professional" pilots instead of lowering the bar.
There are a lot of pilots outside the profession without any problems or records that are doing something else because the Regionals do not pay enough.
Big part of being a Professional Airline Pilot is having good judgement and DUI and a record shows a weakness in judgement.
When it comes to failed checkrides it is looked at every individual case and it depends what they failed and if there is a trend or not.
Any company in any industry that hires "Professionals" have requirements and a min acceptable qualifications.
Just because the min for the FAA is just to have an ATP does not cut it. If they would only follow that and something happens the FAA will make them explain what they were thinking hiring a pilot with a trend of failures and a record. We have seen what that can cause in the past.
I hope as a "Professional pilot" that we never hear that it is ok to hire pilots with DUI, criminal records and a trend of failures just because we have a shortage of pilots. I know some places will eventually because they are getting desperate.
I wish the Regionals would instead increase the pay and use that to attract enough "Professional" pilots instead of lowering the bar.
There are a lot of pilots outside the profession without any problems or records that are doing something else because the Regionals do not pay enough.
I'm pretty sure that there is leadership at the very top of one of largest(if not the largest)airlines in the world that have a record that includes more than one DUI? Okay for the leadership but not the hired help?
02-24-2014 | 09:14 AM
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I like how little time has lapsed since age 65 has hit and people are already speculating that the "shortage" has / has not come. It's definitely changing things in the industry faster than the previous 10 years. The retirement numbers don't even pick up to their highest for another 4 years. People need to relax. As far as records of pilots go, each pilot should be judged individually and not purely on their record. Maybe one pilot doesn't have any failures because he just happened to be at the right place at the right time. Maybe another pilot has a failure or two because the specific examiner or training department was much harder. It doesn't make the person with zero failures a de facto better pilot. And a mainline carrier should be able to figure that out in an interview. And there's plenty of "good old boys" at mainline that have DUI's. It became a huge issue when there was a stigma attached to it in the 90's.
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02-24-2014 | 09:29 AM
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You really are naive, aren't you? I know of examiners who gave away ATPs in a light twin like it was candy. Don't you think that maybe the airlines are being selective because they are dumping thousands of dollars into new hires that end up failing checkrides, dropping out of training or getting "let go" due to not being able to maintain proficiency. There is a difference between flying a Seminole to ATP standards and flying a transport category jet.
But I do enjoy getting lessons from people who got everything they needed to know about economics from an 11th grade textbook.
But I do enjoy getting lessons from people who got everything they needed to know about economics from an 11th grade textbook.
Kinda blows your theory out of the water.
The interview is mainly about personality at some places, and that seems to work well for them. Flying airplanes these days is more about mental capacity than stick and rudder skills. Yes, important to still be able to operate a plane but I think by the time you've got to that point, with very few failed check rides, etc you can do that.
02-24-2014 | 09:34 AM
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Getting off subject a bit, but speaking of something that never gets better: commuting. The most important factor for a commuter is how many jumpseats are going back and forth each day, not the size of the airplane. As a commuter, I would rather see 6 50 seat RJ flights a day rather than just 3 larger aircraft. We know the load factors going forward will continue to require sitting up front often. It seems as though many commuters may actually hate seeing the 50 seat fleet diminish, resulting in a drastic reduction in commute options.
02-24-2014 | 09:34 AM
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Getting off subject a bit, but speaking of something that never gets better: commuting. The most important factor for a commuter is how many jumpseats are going back and forth each day, not the size of the airplane. As a commuter, I would rather see 6 50 seat RJ flights a day rather than just 3 larger aircraft. We know the load factors going forward will continue to require sitting up front often. It seems as though many commuters may actually hate seeing the 50 seat fleet diminish, resulting in a drastic reduction in commute options.
02-24-2014 | 09:37 AM
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I flew the 50 seat RJ for 8 years and can count on maybe 3 fingers how many times I have been weight restricted. I don't think we've ever left a jumpseater behind. This is east coast short legs which from what I can tell is the worst case scenario.
02-24-2014 | 09:38 AM
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Both the commuter and major I was hired at didn't even do a sim ride on the interview.
Kinda blows your theory out of the water.
The interview is mainly about personality at some places, and that seems to work well for them. Flying airplanes these days is more about mental capacity than stick and rudder skills. Yes, important to still be able to operate a plane but I think by the time you've got to that point, with very few failed check rides, etc you can do that.
Kinda blows your theory out of the water.
The interview is mainly about personality at some places, and that seems to work well for them. Flying airplanes these days is more about mental capacity than stick and rudder skills. Yes, important to still be able to operate a plane but I think by the time you've got to that point, with very few failed check rides, etc you can do that.
