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tom11011 03-05-2014 12:25 PM


Originally Posted by mia389 (Post 1595858)
Just don't pay it. It has worked well for me.

My loans quickly got out of control because I was an idiot at the age of 19 when I signed them. My first year at the regional I owed over $200,000.

It started as a $65,000 loan. While instructing for 3 years I couldn't make any payments so they gave me penalties and my interest rates went way up. By the time I finally got to a regional it was out of control and I would owe more a month than what I was making.

I would of picked a different profession if I knew this one payed so little. My credit suffered for years but it has gotten better. Somehow the loans just disappeared and don't even show up on my credit report anymore. I'm sure the tax payer somehow payed for my training because I never did.

Usually not the tax payer but the consumer with higher costs etc.. but who knows with all the bank bailouts etc.. obviously you didn't have an educational loan as those are not dischargable.

Airlines file bankruptcy all the time like its written into their business plan :), in fact I'm convinced that bankruptcy is in their 5-10 year long term planning to shed debt, contracts, etc.. In a way they are now too big to fail just like the banks and auto companies. This is one of the dangers of less competition.

Red Forman 03-05-2014 12:44 PM


Originally Posted by NovemberBravo (Post 1595527)
I forgot this forum is for children

The children are the ones who don't want to honor their commitment to a financial institution they made an agreement with.

haymaker 03-05-2014 12:47 PM


Originally Posted by mia389 (Post 1595858)
Just don't pay it. It has worked well for me.

My loans quickly got out of control because I was an idiot at the age of 19 when I signed them. My first year at the regional I owed over $200,000.

It started as a $65,000 loan. While instructing for 3 years I couldn't make any payments so they gave me penalties and my interest rates went way up. By the time I finally got to a regional it was out of control and I would owe more a month than what I was making.

I would of picked a different profession if I knew this one payed so little. My credit suffered for years but it has gotten better. Somehow the loans just disappeared and don't even show up on my credit report anymore. I'm sure the tax payer somehow payed for my training because I never did.

Why did you take a $65,000 loan, with I am assuming limited to no income in the first place? I know 19 is young and we all make bad decisions, but why the flippant attitude now? You entered into a legal contract, defaulted, and now apparently have no regrets.

Don't blame the career path, you didn't sign the loan contingent on "proper career progression". You signed for funds to pay for education expenses. They lived up to their end, and you should do the same. I understand that personal responsibility is on a rapid decline, but why the seemingly proud attitude on how you "got away with it"? I am glad it worked out for you.

brianb 03-05-2014 01:09 PM


Originally Posted by Red Forman (Post 1595885)
The children are the ones who don't want to honor their commitment to a financial institution they made an agreement with.

Right. When the government stops taking, I'll stop *****ing. Where should we begin on the government "taking" part? The top dog, 17 Trillion in U.S. debt when we can supposedly print our own money. Now, I ask the more enlightened of you out there, why would we BORROW money/incur debt when we can PRINT OUR OWN MONEY. Oh, that's right, the traitorous Federal Reserve does that with interest! I guess we can't print OUR OWN money after all and the U.S. Constitution certainly doesn't address that statement, does it?:confused: Every dollar printed with interest incurs debt, why oh why do we put up with this Federal Reserve scam? Enlighten me oh sage one's.

cubbies4life 03-05-2014 01:17 PM


Originally Posted by mia389 (Post 1595858)
Just don't pay it. It has worked well for me.

My loans quickly got out of control because I was an idiot at the age of 19 when I signed them. My first year at the regional I owed over $200,000.

It started as a $65,000 loan. While instructing for 3 years I couldn't make any payments so they gave me penalties and my interest rates went way up. By the time I finally got to a regional it was out of control and I would owe more a month than what I was making.

I would of picked a different profession if I knew this one payed so little. My credit suffered for years but it has gotten better. Somehow the loans just disappeared and don't even show up on my credit report anymore. I'm sure the tax payer somehow payed for my training because I never did.

Do you own a house? I have seen mortgages denied for unpaid parking tickets. I find it hard to believe you will ever approved for any sort or home loan.

nopantsILS 03-05-2014 01:32 PM

He already got one of those "mortgages" in 2008. He was 27 when he bought the place so he had no idea what was going on, turns out houses are expensive and he stopped paying. Eventually the sheriff showed up and asked him to leave. Like ***? After declaring bankruptcy, he got this so called "credit card".. maybe you've heard of it...he maxed it out. Turns out the payments became more than he could pay so he stopped...............

rev4life03 03-05-2014 01:33 PM


Originally Posted by mia389 (Post 1595858)
Just don't pay it. It has worked well for me.

My loans quickly got out of control because I was an idiot at the age of 19 when I signed them. My first year at the regional I owed over $200,000.

It started as a $65,000 loan. While instructing for 3 years I couldn't make any payments so they gave me penalties and my interest rates went way up. By the time I finally got to a regional it was out of control and I would owe more a month than what I was making.

I would of picked a different profession if I knew this one payed so little. My credit suffered for years but it has gotten better. Somehow the loans just disappeared and don't even show up on my credit report anymore. I'm sure the tax payer somehow payed for my training because I never did.

I find this hard to believe, student loans (or any loan really) don't just disappear.

silver fleet 03-05-2014 02:18 PM


Originally Posted by rev4life03 (Post 1595926)
I find this hard to believe, student loans (or any loan really) don't just disappear.

Actually, with certain types of loans and in certain juristictions, there is a statute of limitations and if you know how the collections process works, one can eventually make it disappear. At what cost is what one must ask himself. Surely your credit is abhorent during this window, but in some instances, it will disappear.

FixTheMess 03-06-2014 05:55 AM


Originally Posted by block30 (Post 1595540)
If your employer makes it part of the compensation package, great! But, I don't see why people who made the decisions they made should be forgiven of the debt they have, especially with the proliferation of the internet....i.e., you had the knowledge and information available. And yes, where does that money come from? Is it fair to saddle the taxpayer with that? Should we encourage prospective pilots to take on massive debt because there are little to no consequences? I think this is a bad idea.

One person gets it.

mia389 03-06-2014 06:37 AM


Originally Posted by haymaker (Post 1595889)
Why did you take a $65,000 loan, with I am assuming limited to no income in the first place? I know 19 is young and we all make bad decisions, but why the flippant attitude now? You entered into a legal contract, defaulted, and now apparently have no regrets.

Don't blame the career path, you didn't sign the loan contingent on "proper career progression". You signed for funds to pay for education expenses. They lived up to their end, and you should do the same. I understand that personal responsibility is on a rapid decline, but why the seemingly proud attitude on how you "got away with it"? I am glad it worked out for you.

I am not proud of a very uneducated risk I took when I was 19. If it was a local bank it would be a different story. But the loan I took out should of been illegal really. I tried to pay them something little every paycheck but they were not working with me at all. It was like throwing money away trying to pay them. This was one of the key bank loans.


Originally Posted by cubbies4life (Post 1595916)
Do you own a house? I have seen mortgages denied for unpaid parking tickets. I find it hard to believe you will ever approved for any sort or home loan.

Yes my credit suffered short term but has gotten much better over the last 5 years. I do own a house. I had to put down a larger amount than most people. I am also married and my wife has had excellent credit when mine has suffered. Both our names are on our house.


Originally Posted by rev4life03 (Post 1595926)
I find this hard to believe, student loans (or any loan really) don't just disappear.

They are not gone but they are paid. Somewhere down the line in the last ten years of not paying them the balance owed on them is zero. I never did any investigating on why this is the case. I know the loans were sold to multiple different companies. In fact if I had to pay them, I wouldn't even know who to pay now.


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