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Old 03-07-2014 | 09:42 PM
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Please, it's important, now more than ever that we get this new Collective Bargaining Agreement through the pipeline. It's important that we pray for God's guidance with this. I'm sure God will tell you to vote, "yes." I know that if we pray, we will be able to vote this agreement in.

God Bless,

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Old 03-07-2014 | 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted by BBedford
Please, it's important, now more than ever that we get this new Collective Bargaining Agreement through the pipeline. It's important that we pray for God's guidance with this. I'm sure God will tell you to vote, "yes." I know that if we pray, we will be able to vote this agreement in.

God Bless,

Bryan
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Old 03-07-2014 | 11:24 PM
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I guess some people can see the good in anything and I respect that. You and your great attitude are usually great to fly with but please don't sell yourself short. "Industry Standard" is shameful and this barely meets that standard. Missed oportunities like this one is why we are where we are. Airline groups are finally taking a stand so please be careful when you defend this TA because it's a huge slap in the face to XJT & Envoy pilots.

Regional pilots are not second class citizens.
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Old 03-08-2014 | 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Corona
A friend of mine sent me this comparison:

RAH 2014 TA:

Min day: (Line holder) 4.0 (1 day)
Min day: (Reserve) 4; 5 for airport standby
Duty Rig: 1:2.5 (actual)
Trip Rig: 1:4.2 (actual)
Cancellation Pay: Trip by trip with plus up
Deadhead Pay: 75% scheduled (actual on company)
Taxi Pay: 15 min; 30 min in Hubs; Or rig credit
Per Diem: $1.80; $1.90 DOS+2; $2.00 DOS+4
Minimum Guarantee: 75 Hours
Premium Pay: 125% time over 87 hours
Reserve Call out: 120 minutes
Min Days off: 12 Lineholder; 11 Reserve
Junior Manning: None

Skywest (2011 Policy handbook)

Min day (Line holder): 3.57
Min day (Reserve): 3.57
Duty Rig: 1:2 up to 12 hours (Scheduled)
Trip Rig: None
Cancellation Pay: Shift Cancellation
Deadhead Pay: 100% scheduled
Taxi Pay: 12 minutes; 30 min ORD
Per Diem: $1.75
Minimum Guarantee: 75 Hours; 80 EMB120 Lineholder
Premium Pay: None
Reserve Call out: 120 minutes
Min Days off: 11 in 31 day month; 10 for 30 day
Junior Manning: Yes: 150% pay

We get almost everything we need and want in this TA, while our peers have only some or mostly none of what the TA has in the way of rigs and protection.

The only thing that would be concessionary about this TA would be to turn it down and languish in the weeds forever while our E-Board and our incompetent leader gets us nothing, just like they have done for years now.

Now is the time to get a contract--not because we are tired of waiting, but because this TA is remarkably good IMHO.

Junior and CX pay are incorrect. At SkyWest there is no mandatory junior manning, any flying added to your schedule after your release or on your days off is purely optional and if so then paid at the rate of 150%. Also cancellation pay is leg by leg, not by shift. Not that it matters much but MDG is 4 now as we'll.
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Old 03-08-2014 | 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by NoLightOff
I guess some people can see the good in anything and I respect that. You and your great attitude are usually great to fly with but please don't sell yourself short. "Industry Standard" is shameful and this barely meets that standard. Missed oportunities like this one is why we are where we are. Airline groups are finally taking a stand so please be careful when you defend this TA because it's a huge slap in the face to XJT & Envoy pilots.

Regional pilots are not second class citizens.
Thank you. I'm tired of hearing that we are supposed to be one level of safety, and one level of service between mainline and express carriers but two levels of pay and two levels of treatment. Do customers get a cheaper ticket flying on express than they do on mainline? No, its time to demand major improvements. I dont expect mainline wages, but I do expect big increases in that direction. They have no pilots in the pipeline because its simply not worth it. FUPM
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Old 03-08-2014 | 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by AlaskaBound
This brings you guys up to average. There's nothing innovative about this.

~Average min day = 4 hours at most regionals (line-holder and reserve)
~Average cancelation pay at most regionals is leg-by-leg pay. Endeavor has leg-by-leg plus up.
~Average DHD pay is 75% at most regionals (SKW has 100% in some cases)
~Average Per diem at most regionals is between $1.65-1.80. (A few cents isn't going to make this TA remarkable)
~Average min guarantee at most regionals is 75 hours (SKW is 80hours for E120)
~ Average at most most regionals critical pay/premium pay is between 150-200%.
~Average call out is 2 hours at most regionals
~Average min days off is 11 days at most regionals

There is nothing remarkable about this. You have ALL the leverage to get a truly remarkable industry leading contract that raises the bar. Do not settle.

And by average at most regionals I mean regionals that fly jets like you.



Skywest has 100% for DHD in all cases that I know of...
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