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John Carr 04-02-2014 12:10 PM


Originally Posted by Ramprat (Post 1615175)
Never understood why any regional pilot would want to be a FFDO. Automatic rolleyes from me when the CA says "I'm armed!" Great we have captain america over here to save the day.

In all my time commuting, I've run across those types. Didn't matter if it was a regional or a legacy.


Originally Posted by Ultralight (Post 1615233)
Anyone with no prior military or law enforcement experience should automatically be rejected in my opinion. Too many needle d!cks signing up for a badge and a gun for the wrong reasons.

For what its worth, most of the FFDO's I know should never have been accepted into the program, and those that should were denied.

Meh, opinions will vary on who should and shouldn't be selected. There's plenty of cops that wanted to become one because they were tired of getting their a$$ kicked, or feel te need to have to kick peoples a$$es due to this affliction you speak of.

But I've known people that were turned down with mil backgrounds. One was a gaurd pilot, the other was a firearms instructor.

Blackwing 04-02-2014 12:54 PM


Originally Posted by DENpilot (Post 1615177)
You're kidding, right? That connection is laughable. Yeah, terrorists in the middle-east are trolling the APC forums for vague information on FFDO applicants... :rolleyes:

I mean, seriously, you ARE joking, right?

You really think they AREN'T? Of course they are! The bad guys have Google, too.

ZBowFlyz 04-02-2014 01:04 PM


Originally Posted by Ultralight (Post 1615233)
Anyone with no prior military or law enforcement experience should automatically be rejected in my opinion.

Too many needle d!cks signing up for a badge and a gun for the wrong reasons.

The first thing you said is ignorant. The second, is none of your business and an opinion.

Ultralight 04-02-2014 02:10 PM


Originally Posted by ZBowFlyz (Post 1615283)
The first thing you said is ignorant. The second, is none of your business and an opinion.

Ok Clint Eastwood. The first thing I said, "only guys with prior military or law enforcement experience," is common sense, not ignorant.

The second thing I said, "Most of the guys I know who are FFDO's shouldn't be" is my business when the guy is so fixated on his firearm that he can't properly concentrate on his primary objective which is to fly the aircraft.

The whole FFDO program was a knee jerk reaction to 9/11 and is not an effective way to prevent terrorism. In fact, if I were trying to hijack an aircraft, I'd be looking for the one with a gun already on board which is in the possession of an amateur.

Think about it.

wmupilot85 04-02-2014 02:45 PM


Originally Posted by Ultralight (Post 1615308)
The whole FFDO program was a knee jerk reaction to 9/11 and is not an effective way to prevent terrorism. In fact, if I were trying to hijack an aircraft, I'd be looking for the one with a gun already on board which is in the possession of an amateur.

Think about it.


Yep....only police officers are not amateurs....

Cop Shoots Self in Foot - YouTube

ZBowFlyz 04-02-2014 03:28 PM


Originally Posted by Ultralight (Post 1615308)
Ok Clint Eastwood. The first thing I said, "only guys with prior military or law enforcement experience," is common sense, not ignorant.

The second thing I said, "Most of the guys I know who are FFDO's shouldn't be" is my business when the guy is so fixated on his firearm that he can't properly concentrate on his primary objective which is to fly the aircraft.

The whole FFDO program was a knee jerk reaction to 9/11 and is not an effective way to prevent terrorism. In fact, if I were trying to hijack an aircraft, I'd be looking for the one with a gun already on board which is in the possession of an amateur.

Think about it.

I'm not going to get in a urinating contest with you. This post confirms your ignorance on the subject. Thanks for saving me the time!

;)

mia389 04-02-2014 04:16 PM


Originally Posted by DENpilot (Post 1615159)
Hey guys,

Got an email from the FFDO people saying I was not selected for the program after the TSA reviewed my application.

The application process and everything seemed completely disorganized and a complete hassle, so I am not too disappointed.

However, I cannot figure out why the TSA would deny me. As far as I know, my record is squeaky clean.

Any experience on these denials and ideas why? Maybe complete disdain of the TSA and everything they do? ;)

They probably thought since you fly planes for so cheap you might have mental problems. Or maybe they thought you would do anything for an extra buck.:D:D

I'm joking of course and I am not saying your mental. I don't know you..

rickair7777 04-02-2014 04:44 PM


Originally Posted by nordo (Post 1615243)
And any spy worth a damn is going to have sterling credit, why get tripped up by that?


Good reason actually. A professional foreign agent of course will have a clean cover, but those guys don't actually have access to secrets. Their job is to recruit people who ALREADY have access to secrets.

Most major spy cases in the last few decades were all about money (not counting social media leakers, who are not technically spies). Many of them were fundamentally irresponsible, which reflected in their finances.

Ames, Pollard, Hanssen, Pelton, Pitts, Walker, etc.

rickair7777 04-02-2014 04:49 PM


Originally Posted by Ramprat (Post 1615175)
Never understood why any regional pilot would want to be a FFDO. Automatic rolleyes from me when the CA says "I'm armed!" Great we have captain america over here to save the day.

It's too much of a PITA for me, (logged enough small arms time in the military, don't need the accountability hassle) but I like the program as long as somebody else is willing to do it.

Since the bad guys have no idea if a pilot will be armed, it creates a significant planning problem for any hijack attempt. They don't have to shoot terrorists, merely the possibility serves as a deterrent...and a lot cheaper than FAMs

But with that said, lets steer clear of any details about FFDO selection or operations.

rickair7777 04-02-2014 04:55 PM


Originally Posted by Ultralight (Post 1615308)

The whole FFDO program was a knee jerk reaction to 9/11 and is not an effective way to prevent terrorism. In fact, if I were trying to hijack an aircraft, I'd be looking for the one with a gun already on board which is in the possession of an amateur.


Operationally that's ludicrous...you bring your own weapon or you don't go. You don't start an op on the premise that you're going to take a gun away from an armed LEO. You've been watching way too many Hollywood movies.

It is a very cheap and effective way to complicate bad-guy planning...it's a big unknown for them. This is anti-terrorism 101, nothing too hard or secret.

The TSA hates it for the same reason the active duty military services hate reserves, and regular cops hate part-time volunteer cops...job security.


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