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bgmann 04-02-2014 07:10 PM

I started to explain something to you DENPilot. But decided not to. it may not be your background as you think, but I point towards something else. I'm not gna explain anything else publicly.

Blackwing 04-02-2014 07:26 PM


Originally Posted by ClarenceOver (Post 1615405)
Military yes because there is a higher standard. Law enforcement.......yeah not so much.

For those serving in combat arms specialties, yes. As a sweeping generalization across the board? Not on your friggin' life. There are PLENTY of military people who have no business carrying a firearm, and qualified only under the strictly controlled conditions of a small arms range under the the watch of CATM instructors or range control officers.

Conversely, there are also PLENTY of civilians who have undergone as much firearms training as an Army Ranger.

So let's keep the hasty generalizations to a minimum, mmkay?

WHACKMASTER 04-02-2014 07:27 PM


Originally Posted by Ultralight (Post 1615233)
Anyone with no prior military or law enforcement experience should automatically be rejected in my opinion. Too many needle d!cks signing up for a badge and a gun for the wrong reasons.

For what its worth, most of the FFDO's I know should never have been accepted into the program, and those that should were denied.

You sir are a complete baffoon.

Ultralight 04-02-2014 08:00 PM


Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER (Post 1615504)
You sir are a complete baffoon.

Great post, well done. You must be a really smart guy. I guess its easy to call names when you can hide behind your gun.
Stay classy tough guy.

Ultralight 04-02-2014 08:06 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 1615401)
Operationally that's ludicrous...you bring your own weapon or you don't go. You don't start an op on the premise that you're going to take a gun away from an armed LEO. You've been watching way too many Hollywood movies.

It is a very cheap and effective way to complicate bad-guy planning...it's a big unknown for them. This is anti-terrorism 101, nothing too hard or secret.

The TSA hates it for the same reason the active duty military services hate reserves, and regular cops hate part-time volunteer cops...job security.

Hollywood movies? What the hell are you talking about? If someone can mastermind something as complex as 9/11 I'm sure they can figure out a plan to disarm a guy strutting his pistol around. By the way, FFDO's are not LEO's. They do no enforce the law and have zero jurisdiction outside of the cockpit.

How to tell a PROFESSIONAL FFDO? You don't know he's an FFDO, that's how.

The rest are a liability.

Idiot, baffoon, ignorant, whatever.

Grow up!

DENpilot 04-02-2014 10:03 PM

Wow, this spiraled down quickly. A few good posts that I got a good laugh out of.

I really don't get it, I was just trying to understand. The truth is that the TSA "screening" us for carrying a firearm in the flight deck, is completely ludicrous.

Every single one of has the ability to commit unimaginable acts without the use of a firearm. That's why this screening process is odd. Not saying to give any Joe Pilot a gun, but if someone is sincere in their intent, has the right attitude, and can safely pass a training course, I don't see the issue.

Rnav 04-02-2014 10:13 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 1615401)
regular cops hate part-time volunteer cops...job security.

Um no... but nice try.

Salukipilot4590 04-03-2014 03:38 AM


Originally Posted by DENpilot (Post 1615567)
Wow, this spiraled down quickly. A few good posts that I got a good laugh out of.

I really don't get it, I was just trying to understand. The truth is that the TSA "screening" us for carrying a firearm in the flight deck, is completely ludicrous.

Every single one of has the ability to commit unimaginable acts without the use of a firearm. That's why this screening process is odd. Not saying to give any Joe Pilot a gun, but if someone is sincere in their intent, has the right attitude, and can safely pass a training course, I don't see the issue.

Well that's your problem right there man, you've gone and tried to add logic to this whole situation.

Bad DEN, bad!

Std Deviation 04-03-2014 04:39 AM


Originally Posted by vilcas (Post 1615443)
When people sign up for FFDO they are taking on an enormous responsibility. I hope these pilots bear this in mind and keep themselves operational ready. The readiness that I am referring too comes with constant training the way the special forces do. I don't think most FFDO pilots do this and shouldn't continue to serve in that capacity. More federal air marshals that makes more sense.

This is the case with anyone that carries a firearm; maybe not special forces training but regular training nonetheless. I'm all for the 2nd amendment and a CHL holder in Texas but the "I gotta get a gun" crowd at Cabela's on a weekday in Fort Worth scares the heck out of me (and quit hoarding the ammo people...the zombie apocalypse is years off). The state just reduced the training required to get a CHL and just about anyone can do it. Heck you can have it in your car here without a license and never go to the range. I'm really divided on the issue - there's lots of folks that never step up to the responsibility.

jpso 04-03-2014 04:47 AM


Originally Posted by Blackwing (Post 1615503)
Conversely, there are also PLENTY of civilians who have undergone as much firearms training as an Army Ranger.

[serious] What training programs are available like this? I'm interested in learning more.

My experience with firearms has been limited to my law enforcement training and that's about it. I couldn't imagine someone/company taking on the liability of training civilians to those standards.


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