saab2000

I am updating my numbers on the airlineapps dot com site. Have any of you used that site and had a hard time with the numbers they come up with reconcile with the numbers in your logbook? They are not the same.

The differences are sometimes small, sometimes large. I know that on their site there is no doubling up of time. I.e - there is no such thing as 'dual received' and 'PIC' on the same flight. This can be reconciled as there are only about 17 hours of doubled up time (ex. aerobatic instruction in a S/E Land for which I was already signed off - this is both PIC and Dual Received as I understand it).

But the M/E stuff is much harder. I have literally only about 5 hours of actual M/E PIC in my whole career. So when I add up my columns, it should come out to the right number. But on their "Totals" page, it is giving me several hundred hours less than if I add up the columns in my paper logbook.

What gives? Have any of you ever run into this sort of problem?

I have never tried to pad my logbook or do anything non-standard. I log every single flight - every leg. My books add up. Their electronic adder makes some changes.

Ideas?

hatetobreakit2u

after much reluctance i finally signed up for the no good piece of **** website.

yes i had to fiddle, manipulate, recalculate, concentrate, and alleviate every single one of my times in order to get them to add up correctly to what my logbook says. (i dont know what half those words mean by the way) It was like working with a rubix cube or a sodoku puzzle or something. Every time i changed one field it changed another and then you had to change that one.

and the worst part is, when you click to send to some airlines, it says the require a word document resume to be sent on top of all the same junk you just filled out!!!!!!!!!!! What is the point of fillin out all this mumbo jumbo with my times when I already had a nice word document on my desktop already that only took me 15 minutes to fill out. It was a totally horrible and useless experience filling out airlineapps, the only reason was because a particular company would ONLY accept a resume that way. Its just another scam to take hard earned money away from underpaid pilots. Who would think youd have to "pay to apply to an airline". Cause HR is too lazy to pick up a 15 cent piece of paper that comes off the fax machine and actually read something to see whether or not your qualified.

Okay, all you airline apps lovers who bashed me in another thread previsouly, who think its acceptable and the norm to pay to submit a resume,.....feel free to flame away. Yes my reluctance to fill out airline apps will positively correlate to my performance in the cockpit and will cause me to not want to program the flight director, as other people said. Yes my reluctance to fill out airline apps also positively means that I am a horribly mean person to fly with for 4 days straight as other people have previously stated.

Its ok i fell to the darkside though and used it. I vowed i would never ever apply to a company through airline apps and it finally caught up to me. and i will do everything in my power to never have to use it again so help me god.







































Oh yeah if you cant tell i really hate airline apps.

saab2000

I have kind of given up trying to manipulate the numbers. Some cannot be reconciled.

My logbook adds up correctly and that is the final number. I will have to figure out a way to explain that in an interview. But anyone can sit down with any of my three logbooks and the columns add up properly. But when I put my airplanes into airline apps the final numbers don't equal the final total in my logbooks.

So I simply put in the correct number and if the total is not right I can assume that my logbook is the controlling document. After all, I log every single leg.

hatetobreakit2u

its cause airline apps used different algorithms to compute Dual given countng towards your PIC and total time whereas Dual received addds to your total column but not your PIC column, or something to that effect. (even though you could be receiving instruction and still log it as PIC if your in any stage past your private. just another example why this program is horrible to use)
but the point is subtract 10 from section and see how it effects another section, then you can start to see how all the times interact with each other. It CAN be done. After 2 hours i got all my columns too add up correctly.

also it doesnt do decimal points, so i may round up or down, that can also account for +/-1 in some of your other columns

saab2000

I have tried that. I have also spent more than 2 hours on this.

The thing is that if I subtract 10 from this or that column, suddenly it is no longer truthful. If I subtract something from, say, S/E Land (or more specifically from my Piper PA-28-181 time) suddenly my total time drops. And it is also not an accurate reflection of reality.

My biggest discrepencies are in the total time and in the M/E.

I figure that if the electronic document shows less than my logbook it will be OK. It just can't give the illusion of showing more than the real time.

You are right that their numbers programming stinks. It is not a bad website though I too am opposed to paying for applying.

Good - One time application is the same for many airlines.
Bad - Paying is not cool.
Bad - Their calculations are not proper.

FlyingChipmunk

I had kept updating time on Airilne Apps for a while it was a pain. Then I gave up on the site all together and emailed my resumes. The calls started coming a few days later.. I really dont recomend or trust this site at all...

s10an

I have a friend that wrote an email to airlineapps and complained because his numbers did not add up correct. He got his money refunded, and could still keep his membership.

Speedbird172

Interesting...so even though if it says to apply through airline apps on some airline's websites, some of you just emailed/faxed your resumes and that still worked?

Sounds like something I want to avoid at all costs but if it comes down to it I guess I'll have to bite that bullet.

Short Bus Drive

As far as paying, you don't have to if you only want to fill one out for a PARTICULAR airline. If you want more than one (ie. CAL and DAL), then you have to shell out the money ($60?).
Better than the $100 AMR wanted when they were hiring, or other airlines. OR airlines that where making you pay for your training if you wanted to get hired.(ACA,CALEX,ExecutiveJet,...)