FDP and 117
04-05-2014 | 04:23 AM
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FDP and 117
It does not. You can find it in the definitions in 117. FDP ends when you park the airplane with no intentions of moving it any further. A DH would be duty, but not FDP. Cumulative limits are only on FPD.
04-06-2014 | 11:25 AM
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From: Airline #4
Flight duty period (FDP)
means a period that begins when a flightcrew member is required to report for duty with the intention of conducting a flight, a series of flights, or positioning or ferrying flights, and ends when the aircraft is parked after the last flight and there is no intention for further aircraft movement by the same flightcrew member. A flight duty period includes the duties performed by the flightcrew member on behalf of the certificate holder that occur before a flight segment or between flight segments without a required intervening rest period. Examples of tasks that are part of the flight duty period include deadhead transportation, training conducted in an aircraft or flight simulator, and airport/standby reserve, if the above tasks occur before a flight segment or between flight segments without an intervening required rest period.
The key is that DH only counts as FDP before or between operated flight segments, not after.
means a period that begins when a flightcrew member is required to report for duty with the intention of conducting a flight, a series of flights, or positioning or ferrying flights, and ends when the aircraft is parked after the last flight and there is no intention for further aircraft movement by the same flightcrew member. A flight duty period includes the duties performed by the flightcrew member on behalf of the certificate holder that occur before a flight segment or between flight segments without a required intervening rest period. Examples of tasks that are part of the flight duty period include deadhead transportation, training conducted in an aircraft or flight simulator, and airport/standby reserve, if the above tasks occur before a flight segment or between flight segments without an intervening required rest period.
The key is that DH only counts as FDP before or between operated flight segments, not after.
04-06-2014 | 05:36 PM
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04-06-2014 | 05:55 PM
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Say your FDP limit was 12 and your Actual FDP time plus your DH block at the end extends to 12:30 then an additional 30 minutes needs to be tacked onto your rest. I have yet to deal with it but thats how our reps have explained it.
04-07-2014 | 05:09 AM
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FAR 117.25:
(g) If a flightcrew member engaged in deadhead transportation exceeds the applicable flight duty period in Table B of this part, the flightcrew member must be given a rest period equal to the length of the deadhead transportation but not less than the required rest in paragraph (e) [10hrs w/ 8hr sleep opportunity] of this section before beginning a flight duty period.
04-07-2014 | 06:36 AM
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DH at the end does not count towards FDP, if your DH brings you past your FDP limit it changes your rest. So take your ACTUAL FDP completed plus DH block and whatever goes over your FDP Limit needs to be tacked onto your rest.
Say your FDP limit was 12 and your Actual FDP time plus your DH block at the end extends to 12:30 then an additional 30 minutes needs to be tacked onto your rest. I have yet to deal with it but thats how our reps have explained it.
Say your FDP limit was 12 and your Actual FDP time plus your DH block at the end extends to 12:30 then an additional 30 minutes needs to be tacked onto your rest. I have yet to deal with it but thats how our reps have explained it.
I'd be interested to see a written interpretation that says that. I read it to mean that if a DH takes you over the max FDP, your rest has to be as long as the DH, but not shorter than min rest. So it would never really come into play for us at regionals.
FAR 117.25:
(g) If a flightcrew member engaged in deadhead transportation exceeds the applicable flight duty period in Table B of this part, the flightcrew member must be given a rest period equal to the length of the deadhead transportation but not less than the required rest in paragraph (e) [10hrs w/ 8hr sleep opportunity] of this section before beginning a flight duty period.
FAR 117.25:
(g) If a flightcrew member engaged in deadhead transportation exceeds the applicable flight duty period in Table B of this part, the flightcrew member must be given a rest period equal to the length of the deadhead transportation but not less than the required rest in paragraph (e) [10hrs w/ 8hr sleep opportunity] of this section before beginning a flight duty period.
Remember the FAA NEVER, EVER UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES cares about your beauty rest after you're done flying 121. If the 121 flying is done there is no obligation for you to get any rest at all. Once you're done flying you only need legal rest before you go fly pax again. You can finish a 12-hour FDP and then be required to stay at the airport all night and mop the floors, you just need whatever legal rest applies before you go fly pax again.
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