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Originally Posted by DOGIII
(Post 1635892)
I am not talking about flows, I am talking about absorbing a company entirely. Seniority numbers handed out.
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My 2 cents is the majors need to worry about "re-fleeting" them
Selfs..(more 777's A330's ect..) Not spending capital on a bunch of E175's... That is why they wont "fold" them in.. |
Originally Posted by amcnd
(Post 1635921)
My 2 cents is the majors need to worry about "re-fleeting" them
Selfs..(more 777's A330's ect..) Not spending capital on a bunch of E175's... That is why they wont "fold" them in.. |
I would think that if they bought us (or already own us) and want to give us a seniority number I would think the major's pilot union would require us an ISL(staple) and then be paid what their contract says and allow the mainline pilots to bid to the large RJ if they want. Not sure though
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Originally Posted by tom14cat14
(Post 1635939)
I would think that if they bought us (or already own us) and want to give us a seniority number I would think the major's pilot union would require us an ISL(staple) and then be paid what their contract says and allow the mainline pilots to bid to the large RJ if they want. Not sure though
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Originally Posted by DOGIII
(Post 1635892)
I am not talking about flows, I am talking about absorbing a company entirely. Seniority numbers handed out.
There are quite a few people at most regionals who have no plans to leave the regionals and would pitch a fit over any kind of absorption that they wouldn't have the right to pass up. |
Originally Posted by rcfd13
(Post 1635951)
Senior captains at the regionals would fight that as hard as they possibly could. There would probably also be lawsuits involved. Can you imagine a bunch of 30 year RJ captains who live in base and fly nothing but high credit locals and CDOs being stapled to the bottom of a major list, going back to FO and being forced to commute to reserve in NYC?
There are quite a few people at most regionals who have no plans to leave the regionals and would pitch a fit over any kind of absorption that they wouldn't have the right to pass up. |
This is coming soon, by the end of the year. The big three need pilots for their brand. There is a need currently but in 3-4 years without a steady source of pilots these airlines will be in a world of hurt. The first airline to innovate and make a move will be way ahead of the game. We are all focused on the shorterm, this is not a short term move, it is a move to capture the required manpower over the next 5 years and bring in the next generation of pilots. The smart airlines looking into the future are already actively working on this and recruiting from the flight schools trying to secure pilots for their brand. Regionals will eventually be the entry job for the mainline brands. This will allow a select few regionals to properly staff and provide for a more defined career path which will allow for more financing options for potential pilot candidates.
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Originally Posted by rcfd13
(Post 1635951)
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Originally Posted by DOGIII I am not talking about flows, I am talking about absorbing a company entirely. Seniority numbers handed out. Senior captains at the regionals would fight that as hard as they possibly could. There would probably also be lawsuits involved. Can you imagine a bunch of 30 year RJ captains who live in base and fly nothing but high credit locals and CDOs being stapled to the bottom of a major list, going back to FO and being forced to commute to reserve in NYC? There are quite a few people at most regionals who have no plans to leave the regionals and would pitch a fit over any kind of absorption that they wouldn't have the right to pass up. I think people are stuck in a "flow" mentality here. The hypothetical proposition I am offering for debate in this thread is neither a flow nor a traditional staple to the bottom of a list- it is folding in the entire carrier (pilots, fleets, bases and lines etc.) to the major airlines ranks, generally keeping the operation intact. |
Originally Posted by Navmode
(Post 1635883)
What I believe will happen:
Some mainline carrier will find their most profitable contract carrier, buy them out, and staple everyone to the bottom of the seniority list. No more scope to worry about limiting seat capacity, and they would be able to take advantage of the cheaper regional flying at cost. It's basically a flow without the shenanigans and technical red tape. I can see many people at X carrier accepting a status quo contract renewal if they had a mainline seniority number, and were just waiting to move into a 737/a320 or what have you at normal mainline pay rates. Pilots would come out of the woodwork for an opportunity like that, and every class would be full. The first mainline carrier to do such a thing would not only have the pick of the litter, but would set the tone for the way the industry will look for the foreseeable future. |
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