Originally Posted by DOGIII (Post 1635979)

Why would they be forced back to FO? They could choose to stay in status and base on the rj. I cannot imagine many senior pilots would bid down to the rj and force these captains to an FO position of any kind on a different bird and even if they did- there would be plenty of junior rj captains leaving to the right seat of the bigger planes which would practically level the bid.
I think people are stuck in a "flow" mentality here. The hypothetical proposition I am offering for debate in this thread is neither a flow nor a traditional staple to the bottom of a list- it is folding in the entire carrier (pilots, fleets, bases and lines etc.) to the major airlines ranks, generally keeping the operation intact.

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1635985)

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Originally Posted by Navmode


What I believe will happen:

Some mainline carrier will find their most profitable contract carrier, buy them out, and staple everyone to the bottom of the seniority list. No more scope to worry about limiting seat capacity, and they would be able to take advantage of the cheaper regional flying at cost. It's basically a flow without the shenanigans and technical red tape.

I can see many people at X carrier accepting a status quo contract renewal if they had a mainline seniority number, and were just waiting to move into a 737/a320 or what have you at normal mainline pay rates. Pilots would come out of the woodwork for an opportunity like that, and every class would be full. The first mainline carrier to do such a thing would not only have the pick of the litter, but would set the tone for the way the industry will look for the foreseeable future.




Past history shows the purchased carrier would not agree to a staple. Most managements are also unlikely to give up all control of the hiring process.

Originally Posted by slammer1906 (Post 1636013)

1. The trend has been to spin off regional partners.
2. An independent publicly owned regional would have to agree to be bought out or be taken over under hostility.
3. A privately owned regional would have to see gold at the end of the rainbow to give up it's cash cow.
4. Unionized pilots would pitch a fit. Who knows what the other labour groups would say.
5. I really can't see upper mgmt at these regionals giving up their gigs.
6. Stranger things have happened..

Originally Posted by DOGIII (Post 1635868)

Why can't they both keep their cheap outsourced flying and give everyone seniority numbers. They would have plenty of applicants at the door that would gladly fly RJ's at low rates keeping the feed staffed and all these guys can bid to fly the larger aircrafts when their seniority can hold it...
How else would mainlines hold any pilots at these express units with the amount of movement that could be around the corner?

Originally Posted by rcfd13 (Post 1635951)

Senior captains at the regionals would fight that as hard as they possibly could. There would probably also be lawsuits involved. Can you imagine a bunch of 30 year RJ captains who live in base and fly nothing but high credit locals and CDOs being stapled to the bottom of a major list, going back to FO and being forced to commute to reserve in NYC?

There are quite a few people at most regionals who have no plans to leave the regionals and would pitch a fit over any kind of absorption that they wouldn't have the right to pass up.

Originally Posted by Nantonaku (Post 1635961)

This is coming soon, by the end of the year. The big three need pilots for their brand. There is a need currently but in 3-4 years without a steady source of pilots these airlines will be in a world of hurt. The first airline to innovate and make a move will be way ahead of the game. We are all focused on the shorterm, this is not a short term move, it is a move to capture the required manpower over the next 5 years and bring in the next generation of pilots. The smart airlines looking into the future are already actively working on this and recruiting from the flight schools trying to secure pilots for their brand. Regionals will eventually be the entry job for the mainline brands. This will allow a select few regionals to properly staff and provide for a more defined career path which will allow for more financing options for potential pilot candidates.

Originally Posted by amcnd (Post 1636025)

Doubt it UA was looking into a "flow" program until they realized they had 5000 apps on file.. The majors will never have a problem with so call "mythical" shortage...

Originally Posted by amcnd (Post 1636025)

Doubt it UA was looking into a "flow" program until they realized they had 5000 apps on file.. The majors will never have a problem with so call "mythical" shortage...