Hiring News at Xjt Crj
06-03-2014, 11:15 AM
#31
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Originally Posted by bedrock
FA's, ground workers, etc. have not spent 100K on their education, do not risk their livelihoods daily and have more lateral mobility than pilots. FA's and mechanics have their own unions to negotiate for them as well.
If pilots cave, the FA's and mechanics will the next targets.
If pilots cave, the FA's and mechanics will the next targets.
Admittedly I don't know if the other work groups are in it for long term success or just long enough for the next opportunity to present itself.
06-03-2014, 11:29 AM
#32
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Originally Posted by Squawk87
I don't think he is calling a bluff, the rapid shrink of XJT is real! And yet we are not going to fly for less than what we make now. You can't pay us "fair" wages? Park the planes (or renegotiate your contracts with UA/DL/AMR).
I don't really have a dog in this fight. In all sincerity I wish ASA and XJT pay raises and growth. Good luck.
06-03-2014, 12:11 PM
#34
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Originally Posted by JustAMushroom
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Originally Posted by Nevets
Captain Tony, we already put our mouth where our money is! What did you think the 83% NO vote meant? Hello? You negotiating guys still don't get it! We don't want to work for ANYTHING less than what we make. They are already parking aircraft like they said they would before the vote...yawn.
This is all fine and good. No one wants you to take a pay cut or concession. For the love of all that is holy you gotta stop saying otherwise.
It is in all our interest to pattern bargain up the pay scale. But it is just amazing that the livelihoods of the thousands of ground workers, Fa, etc are not even on your radar. The success of your company is more than all about you.
You're calling a bluff and the axe man is in your living room. For my personal benefit don't take a pay cut. For the benefit of your coworkers you should negotiate in good faith. There is more to profitability than pay scales.
Originally Posted by Nevets
Captain Tony, we already put our mouth where our money is! What did you think the 83% NO vote meant? Hello? You negotiating guys still don't get it! We don't want to work for ANYTHING less than what we make. They are already parking aircraft like they said they would before the vote...yawn.
This is all fine and good. No one wants you to take a pay cut or concession. For the love of all that is holy you gotta stop saying otherwise.
It is in all our interest to pattern bargain up the pay scale. But it is just amazing that the livelihoods of the thousands of ground workers, Fa, etc are not even on your radar. The success of your company is more than all about you.
You're calling a bluff and the axe man is in your living room. For my personal benefit don't take a pay cut. For the benefit of your coworkers you should negotiate in good faith. There is more to profitability than pay scales.
By the way, what I am trying to say is that we already called the company's bluff when we voted NO to concessions. And the company is making good on their threat. Maybe management has already made the calculation that this is not a viable company. I'm ok with that.
06-03-2014, 12:17 PM
#35
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Originally Posted by ross9238
Everyone keeps talking about "fair" wages but can someone post in monetary terms what that is? In other words, what should be the baseline for year 1 to x for FO and Capt on the 145, 200, 700 &900?
In truth, it should be equal work equal pay like the trades. A 1 year captain produces the same amount of work per flight hour as 18 year captain same for FO’s. It would also make switching hats easier and drive the industry up. 65k & 95K are my numbers
06-03-2014, 12:20 PM
#36
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Well.. if this is true.. back to reserve for the 3rd time!! The 7 year reserve captains have me beat by a long shot. However, I have my doubts about the truth to this. Probably FozJared posting this in his mom's basement slurping creatine. Making up rumors because Mesa isnt meeting their quota.
06-03-2014, 12:22 PM
#37
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Originally Posted by Waitingformins
In truth, it should be equal work equal pay like the trades. A 1 year captain produces the same amount of work per flight hour as 18 year captain same for FO’s. It would also make switching hats easier and drive the industry up.
06-03-2014, 12:23 PM
#38
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Everyone keeps talking about "fair" wages but can someone post in monetary terms what that is? In other words, what should be the baseline for year 1 to x for FO and Capt on the 145, 200, 700 &900?
50-60/hr for FOs and 90-100 for Capra with an over ride for the larger acft
06-03-2014, 12:29 PM
#39
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Originally Posted by ross9238
Everyone keeps talking about "fair" wages but can someone post in monetary terms what that is? In other words, what should be the baseline for year 1 to x for FO and Capt on the 145, 200, 700 &900?
If our management makes $600k ++ (keeping this same ratio) I ballpark guess a 10 yr capt on a 70 seat plane would pay about $100-120 and FO's would earn about $80-90K per year.
06-03-2014, 01:10 PM
#40
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Originally Posted by JustAMushroom
This is way off base. An 18 year pilot has acquired much more experience, knowledge and skill than a new hire. This is the basis for continuing pay raises. I learn more each year that adds value to my skill set. You pay me more for my new knowledge.
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