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Doug Parker grilled at investor meeting
The American airlines investor meeting he gets taken to task by ray Rogers, and the absurdity of the 10 year envoy contract proposal... It's abot 4:30 seconds in. Tried to post the link but it didn't work...maybe someone else can.
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Here's the text...
"My name is Ray Rogers, I'm the proxy for [and the opinion of] Michelle Richardson, representing 747 chairs. You know, when judge Kendall, in 1999, ordered the pilots to go back to work, he made a statement. He said if you were to look up "bad labor relations" in the dictionary, you would have an American Airlines logo beside it. So, I have to ask some questions here today before I can cast my ballot for the election of directors. Now last year, Mr. Parker, you made over 18 million dollars. Mr. Horton took, uh, 19 million dollars home, and Dan Garton, who was the president of American Eagle, uh, his compensation was more than 10 million dollars. Now, I'm not sure if the information I have is correct, [inaudible for a bit] ...the board of directors get very well taken of, too, and many members of the board of directors, in fact, all of them also have other, other outside sources and the chairman of the board as well. Now, I read an article in the Tulsa World and I gotta find out if what they said is true. They said that the American, that American offered its, uh, pilots at American Envoy a 10 year contract and they're seeking 43 million dollars in concessions and pay cuts. Now, the new pilots would make $23,000 dollars a year, and the 10 year contract, uh, would allow pilots to make up to $38,000 dollars. There would be a cap after four years. Um, now, I know that the pilots haven't received any meaningful raises since 2004 and that pilot training costs can exceed 100,000 dollars. Now, is it true that an American Airlines pilot at one of your, basically your feeder airlines, would start out at $23,000 a year and be capped at $38,000? And that would be part of a 10 year contract? Is that what twenty-seven hundred pilots were asked to vote on, which they turned down overwhelmingly? And, uh, is it true? Are these, are these facts true, that were printed in the Tulsa newspaper?" Doug Parker replies, "Is that the question? Thanks, um, first off, um, we are, at the end of this, going to have a presentation. I'm happy to answer all business related questions. But right now, as for the nominees, I'm happy to answer your question now, just for, so we can get to the formal part of this meeting, um, know this: there will be plenty of time afterwards for all sorts of business related questions, um, but nonetheless, uh, to answer your question, I'm not certain as to whether the Tulsa World facts are exactly right, um, but what I do know is, um, as it relates to, um, the Envoy pilots, um, we asked, uh, we put forward a proposal that would make, um, the Envoy, uh, airline competitive with other providers and, uh, they elected not to ratify that agreement, which is their choice and that's, and that's where we are. They're an important part of the airline, they will be an important part of the airline, um, but they were, they were, they were, um, they were given a proposal they rejected, so- Ray Rogers interrupts, "How, how can American justify... I'll give you an example. I fly quite a bit, so I had to take a commuter airline. This was some years ago. I flew into Missouri and I had to get over to Illinois because I'm a commuter. And I was sitting right up front, and at that time, you had the curtain up front, and I noticed, and this is no lie now, that the pilots up there were nodding off, to my chagrin. And I said, well, I better speak up, which I did. And I found out at that time from those pilots that they were making, I think it was between 14 and 16 thousand dollars a year. Now, does American Airlines, that's a pretty proud name. I've flown American a lot. When I look at these kinds of offers, I have to think of it more as a McDonald's airline. Or a Burger King airline. Not an American Airline. How can you justify, when you consider what the directors and the top executives are getting, how can you justify a contract offer like that? Now, I know you have three feeder airlines, and what I would probably look at and see what's happening now is, perhaps there's going to be whipsawing of the employees within the American system. I mean some airlines used to set up a non-union, a kind of double-breasted outfit. Right now, seems it to be more internal. But again, how, I ask again, how - and I'll ask the board of directors - how can you justify offering a contract like that to any employees? How do you justify it? Just answer the question. How do you justify it? Otherwise, I'm going to have to refer to American as McDonald's, okay, not American Airlines, but McDonald's airlines. Thank you." Doug Parker responds, "Thank you. Um, okay, again, um, we, we justify it, um, based upon, first, first and foremost, the pilots, um, and all the professionals that American Airlines have are, um, extremely, uh, confident and professional, uh, aviators, uh, who take their jobs really seriously and do it exceptionally well and extremely safely and we're extremely proud of the job they do, uh, and that includes those that we, that we use, uh, to provide our regional flights as well. So, we're extremely, uh, proud of and pleased with, uh, the, uh, qualifications and, safety, uh, qualifications of the employees we have. Um, as to that contract, again, we put, we, we put forward a proposal which our pilots rejected, which is completely their prerogative. Uh, other airlines, um, uh, have the same contract. Uh, and er, uh, er, uh, some, uh, similar terms, and the Envoy, and the Envoy pilots chose not to accept those terms. That's their choice. So, they're, they're living under their current contract and we're abiding by that contract, um, and as we bring on new flights, uh, they may go to different airlines who are, who are, um, who have different, who have different terms. So at any rate, moving on... Ray "With all due respect. Wait a minute. Okay. I want to be on record that you have not justified that contract offer with those paltry salaries. You have not justified that contract offer or those paltry sums to the pilots. I can't imagine what the flight attendants and the ground crew are making. How do you live on that? That's what's happening in our society today. Corporate executives like American Airlines and Coca-Cola and Chevron are so damned greedy. That's what's the problem, the problem up in the world today. I think you oughtta look at yourselves in the mirror. You need to think of what you're doing to American society and American workers. Look! And ask yourselves, 'Are you proud to do this?' Because I sure wouldn't be if I was in your position." Doug Parker "Alright, thank you sir. Second item of business, ratification of the employ... sure... [at this point, he has agreed to field another question, from a different person, and she changes the subject.] |
anything to not answer any question
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A lot of uh's and um's there, what a speaker.
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Originally Posted by N927EV
(Post 1660094)
Here's the text...
"My name is Ray Rogers, I'm the proxy for [and the opinion of] Michelle Richardson, representing 747 chairs. You know, when judge Kendall, in 1999, ordered the pilots to go back to work, he made a statement. He said if you were to look up "bad labor relations" in the dictionary, you would have an American Airlines logo beside it. So, I have to ask some questions here today before I can cast my ballot for the election of directors. Now last year, Mr. Parker, you made over 18 million dollars. Mr. Horton took, uh, 19 million dollars home, and Dan Garton, who was the president of American Eagle, uh, his compensation was more than 10 million dollars. Now, I'm not sure if the information I have is correct, [inaudible for a bit] ...the board of directors get very well taken of, too, and many members of the board of directors, in fact, all of them also have other, other outside sources and the chairman of the board as well. Now, I read an article in the Tulsa World and I gotta find out if what they said is true. They said that the American, that American offered its, uh, pilots at American Envoy a 10 year contract and they're seeking 43 million dollars in concessions and pay cuts. Now, the new pilots would make $23,000 dollars a year, and the 10 year contract, uh, would allow pilots to make up to $38,000 dollars. There would be a cap after four years. Um, now, I know that the pilots haven't received any meaningful raises since 2004 and that pilot training costs can exceed 100,000 dollars. Now, is it true that an American Airlines pilot at one of your, basically your feeder airlines, would start out at $23,000 a year and be capped at $38,000? And that would be part of a 10 year contract? Is that what twenty-seven hundred pilots were asked to vote on, which they turned down overwhelmingly? And, uh, is it true? Are these, are these facts true, that were printed in the Tulsa newspaper?" Doug Parker replies, "Is that the question? Thanks, um, first off, um, we are, at the end of this, going to have a presentation. I'm happy to answer all business related questions. But right now, as for the nominees, I'm happy to answer your question now, just for, so we can get to the formal part of this meeting, um, know this: there will be plenty of time afterwards for all sorts of business related questions, um, but nonetheless, uh, to answer your question, I'm not certain as to whether the Tulsa World facts are exactly right, um, but what I do know is, um, as it relates to, um, the Envoy pilots, um, we asked, uh, we put forward a proposal that would make, um, the Envoy, uh, airline competitive with other providers and, uh, they elected not to ratify that agreement, which is their choice and that's, and that's where we are. They're an important part of the airline, they will be an important part of the airline, um, but they were, they were, they were, um, they were given a proposal they rejected, so- Ray Rogers interrupts, "How, how can American justify... I'll give you an example. I fly quite a bit, so I had to take a commuter airline. This was some years ago. I flew into Missouri and I had to get over to Illinois because I'm a commuter. And I was sitting right up front, and at that time, you had the curtain up front, and I noticed, and this is no lie now, that the pilots up there were nodding off, to my chagrin. And I said, well, I better speak up, which I did. And I found out at that time from those pilots that they were making, I think it was between 14 and 16 thousand dollars a year. Now, does American Airlines, that's a pretty proud name. I've flown American a lot. When I look at these kinds of offers, I have to think of it more as a McDonald's airline. Or a Burger King airline. Not an American Airline. How can you justify, when you consider what the directors and the top executives are getting, how can you justify a contract offer like that? Now, I know you have three feeder airlines, and what I would probably look at and see what's happening now is, perhaps there's going to be whipsawing of the employees within the American system. I mean some airlines used to set up a non-union, a kind of double-breasted outfit. Right now, seems it to be more internal. But again, how, I ask again, how - and I'll ask the board of directors - how can you justify offering a contract like that to any employees? How do you justify it? Just answer the question. How do you justify it? Otherwise, I'm going to have to refer to American as McDonald's, okay, not American Airlines, but McDonald's airlines. Thank you." Doug Parker responds, "Thank you. Um, okay, again, um, we, we justify it, um, based upon, first, first and foremost, the pilots, um, and all the professionals that American Airlines have are, um, extremely, uh, confident and professional, uh, aviators, uh, who take their jobs really seriously and do it exceptionally well and extremely safely and we're extremely proud of the job they do, uh, and that includes those that we, that we use, uh, to provide our regional flights as well. So, we're extremely, uh, proud of and pleased with, uh, the, uh, qualifications and, safety, uh, qualifications of the employees we have. Um, as to that contract, again, we put, we, we put forward a proposal which our pilots rejected, which is completely their prerogative. Uh, other airlines, um, uh, have the same contract. Uh, and er, uh, er, uh, some, uh, similar terms, and the Envoy, and the Envoy pilots chose not to accept those terms. That's their choice. So, they're, they're living under their current contract and we're abiding by that contract, um, and as we bring on new flights, uh, they may go to different airlines who are, who are, um, who have different, who have different terms. So at any rate, moving on... Ray "With all due respect. Wait a minute. Okay. I want to be on record that you have not justified that contract offer with those paltry salaries. You have not justified that contract offer or those paltry sums to the pilots. I can't imagine what the flight attendants and the ground crew are making. How do you live on that? That's what's happening in our society today. Corporate executives like American Airlines and Coca-Cola and Chevron are so damned greedy. That's what's the problem, the problem up in the world today. I think you oughtta look at yourselves in the mirror. You need to think of what you're doing to American society and American workers. Look! And ask yourselves, 'Are you proud to do this?' Because I sure wouldn't be if I was in your position." Doug Parker "Alright, thank you sir. Second item of business, ratification of the employ... sure... [at this point, he has agreed to field another question, from a different person, and she changes the subject.] Step 1, thank them for the excellent question. Step 2, praise the organization or affiliate of the questioner. Step 3, acknowledge the importance of the affiliate's role in the organization, operation etc. Step 4, whine about making tough choices and competition, and blah blah blah. Step 5, offer hope that a future deal can be made that benefits all parties, but make no specific answers or guarantees. Step 6, spew some meaningless propaganda about the proud history of the company, organization, country, etc. Step 7, if the questoner persists, insist that we must be moving on and assure him or her that their question will be addressed at another time. Anybody remember basketball before the shot clock? It's called running out the clock. |
Originally Posted by N927EV
(Post 1660094)
Here's the text...
"My name is Ray Rogers, I'm the proxy for [and the opinion of] Michelle Richardson, representing 747 chairs. You know, when judge Kendall, in 1999, ordered the pilots to go back to work, he made a statement. He said if you were to look up "bad labor relations" in the dictionary, you would have an American Airlines logo beside it. So, I have to ask some questions here today before I can cast my ballot for the election of directors. Now last year, Mr. Parker, you made over 18 million dollars. Mr. Horton took, uh, 19 million dollars home, and Dan Garton, who was the president of American Eagle, uh, his compensation was more than 10 million dollars. Now, I'm not sure if the information I have is correct, [inaudible for a bit] ...the board of directors get very well taken of, too, and many members of the board of directors, in fact, all of them also have other, other outside sources and the chairman of the board as well. Now, I read an article in the Tulsa World and I gotta find out if what they said is true. They said that the American, that American offered its, uh, pilots at American Envoy a 10 year contract and they're seeking 43 million dollars in concessions and pay cuts. Now, the new pilots would make $23,000 dollars a year, and the 10 year contract, uh, would allow pilots to make up to $38,000 dollars. There would be a cap after four years. Um, now, I know that the pilots haven't received any meaningful raises since 2004 and that pilot training costs can exceed 100,000 dollars. Now, is it true that an American Airlines pilot at one of your, basically your feeder airlines, would start out at $23,000 a year and be capped at $38,000? And that would be part of a 10 year contract? Is that what twenty-seven hundred pilots were asked to vote on, which they turned down overwhelmingly? And, uh, is it true? Are these, are these facts true, that were printed in the Tulsa newspaper?" Doug Parker replies, "Is that the question? Thanks, um, first off, um, we are, at the end of this, going to have a presentation. I'm happy to answer all business related questions. But right now, as for the nominees, I'm happy to answer your question now, just for, so we can get to the formal part of this meeting, um, know this: there will be plenty of time afterwards for all sorts of business related questions, um, but nonetheless, uh, to answer your question, I'm not certain as to whether the Tulsa World facts are exactly right, um, but what I do know is, um, as it relates to, um, the Envoy pilots, um, we asked, uh, we put forward a proposal that would make, um, the Envoy, uh, airline competitive with other providers and, uh, they elected not to ratify that agreement, which is their choice and that's, and that's where we are. They're an important part of the airline, they will be an important part of the airline, um, but they were, they were, they were, um, they were given a proposal they rejected, so- Ray Rogers interrupts, "How, how can American justify... I'll give you an example. I fly quite a bit, so I had to take a commuter airline. This was some years ago. I flew into Missouri and I had to get over to Illinois because I'm a commuter. And I was sitting right up front, and at that time, you had the curtain up front, and I noticed, and this is no lie now, that the pilots up there were nodding off, to my chagrin. And I said, well, I better speak up, which I did. And I found out at that time from those pilots that they were making, I think it was between 14 and 16 thousand dollars a year. Now, does American Airlines, that's a pretty proud name. I've flown American a lot. When I look at these kinds of offers, I have to think of it more as a McDonald's airline. Or a Burger King airline. Not an American Airline. How can you justify, when you consider what the directors and the top executives are getting, how can you justify a contract offer like that? Now, I know you have three feeder airlines, and what I would probably look at and see what's happening now is, perhaps there's going to be whipsawing of the employees within the American system. I mean some airlines used to set up a non-union, a kind of double-breasted outfit. Right now, seems it to be more internal. But again, how, I ask again, how - and I'll ask the board of directors - how can you justify offering a contract like that to any employees? How do you justify it? Just answer the question. How do you justify it? Otherwise, I'm going to have to refer to American as McDonald's, okay, not American Airlines, but McDonald's airlines. Thank you." Doug Parker responds, "Thank you. Um, okay, again, um, we, we justify it, um, based upon, first, first and foremost, the pilots, um, and all the professionals that American Airlines have are, um, extremely, uh, confident and professional, uh, aviators, uh, who take their jobs really seriously and do it exceptionally well and extremely safely and we're extremely proud of the job they do, uh, and that includes those that we, that we use, uh, to provide our regional flights as well. So, we're extremely, uh, proud of and pleased with, uh, the, uh, qualifications and, safety, uh, qualifications of the employees we have. Um, as to that contract, again, we put, we, we put forward a proposal which our pilots rejected, which is completely their prerogative. Uh, other airlines, um, uh, have the same contract. Uh, and er, uh, er, uh, some, uh, similar terms, and the Envoy, and the Envoy pilots chose not to accept those terms. That's their choice. So, they're, they're living under their current contract and we're abiding by that contract, um, and as we bring on new flights, uh, they may go to different airlines who are, who are, um, who have different, who have different terms. So at any rate, moving on... Ray "With all due respect. Wait a minute. Okay. I want to be on record that you have not justified that contract offer with those paltry salaries. You have not justified that contract offer or those paltry sums to the pilots. I can't imagine what the flight attendants and the ground crew are making. How do you live on that? That's what's happening in our society today. Corporate executives like American Airlines and Coca-Cola and Chevron are so damned greedy. That's what's the problem, the problem up in the world today. I think you oughtta look at yourselves in the mirror. You need to think of what you're doing to American society and American workers. Look! And ask yourselves, 'Are you proud to do this?' Because I sure wouldn't be if I was in your position." Doug Parker "Alright, thank you sir. Second item of business, ratification of the employ... sure... [at this point, he has agreed to field another question, from a different person, and she changes the subject.] First order of business--start a smear campaign against the RAA in Congress and the media throwing around the brilliant slogan "McDonald's Airlines Association." Spend all that PAC money on stuff like that instead of quixotic obsessions with a preclearance facility! Seriously this shareholder is amazing. |
A lot of uh's and um's there, what a speaker. And that's our CEO! Wohoooo... |
10 yr. Captains Pay 38K - That absurd - Quick research shows Great Lakes to only be behind that.
How can this get more out to the public? This should be posted at flight schools and just dry the pipeline up of new pilots. CEOs can make what they earn - but exploitation is another thing. Who has not heard that this profession is worse than being a porn star because at least they make more than the above rate? There is no shortage of pilots - there are just pilots that won't work for that kind of money. If the rate was fair you would get guys leaving a desk job where they easily make 50k and home most every night to go fly for $45K starting. But you have to be able to have a healthy body to run your brain to fly safe and 23K will not do that and also the stress will always be with you on how will I pay my bills... Ok Im done. :mad: |
I wouldnt get too excited about this. If there is one question anybody in the 1% is ready to defend at any time, any condition for any reason - its justify their pay and/or the disparity between their pay and their employees. The uhs and ums in the transcript make it look like he was taken aback but if you listen to it he is just explaining. You never realize how much you use verbal pauses (uh, um, ehh) until you are friends with a speech pathologist.
This is not the first time a CEO has been asked to defend their pay or the pay of their employees. |
Originally Posted by Goflynow
(Post 1660167)
10 yr. Captains Pay 38K - That absurd - Quick research shows Great Lakes to only be behind that.
How can this get more out to the public? This should be posted at flight schools and just dry the pipeline up of new pilots. CEOs can make what they earn - but exploitation is another thing. Who has not heard that this profession is worse than being a porn star because at least they make more than the above rate? There is no shortage of pilots - there are just pilots that won't work for that kind of money. If the rate was fair you would get guys leaving a desk job where they easily make 50k and home most every night to go fly for $45K starting. But you have to be able to have a healthy body to run your brain to fly safe and 23K will not do that and also the stress will always be with you on how will I pay my bills... Ok Im done. :mad: |
Psa justified it
In parkers defense, that's his job! To get idiot pilots to agree to an unjustifiable contract. We think we are so smart, Parker and his team are smarter. PSA proved it. Over 100 million dollars in compensation for him and his team, record profits for the airline. $23000 for pilots to fly a 30 million dollar machine with people in them. Basic economics supply and demand! ;)
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Originally Posted by N927EV
(Post 1660094)
Here's the text...
"My name is Ray Rogers, I'm the proxy for [and the opinion of] Michelle Richardson, representing 747 chairs. You know, when judge Kendall, in 1999, ordered the pilots to go back to work, he made a statement. He said if you were to look up "bad labor relations" in the dictionary, you would have an American Airlines logo beside it. So, I have to ask some questions here today before I can cast my ballot for the election of directors. Now last year, Mr. Parker, you made over 18 million dollars. Mr. Horton took, uh, 19 million dollars home, and Dan Garton, who was the president of American Eagle, uh, his compensation was more than 10 million dollars. Now, I'm not sure if the information I have is correct, [inaudible for a bit] ...the board of directors get very well taken of, too, and many members of the board of directors, in fact, all of them also have other, other outside sources and the chairman of the board as well. Now, I read an article in the Tulsa World and I gotta find out if what they said is true. They said that the American, that American offered its, uh, pilots at American Envoy a 10 year contract and they're seeking 43 million dollars in concessions and pay cuts. Now, the new pilots would make $23,000 dollars a year, and the 10 year contract, uh, would allow pilots to make up to $38,000 dollars. There would be a cap after four years. Um, now, I know that the pilots haven't received any meaningful raises since 2004 and that pilot training costs can exceed 100,000 dollars. Now, is it true that an American Airlines pilot at one of your, basically your feeder airlines, would start out at $23,000 a year and be capped at $38,000? And that would be part of a 10 year contract? Is that what twenty-seven hundred pilots were asked to vote on, which they turned down overwhelmingly? And, uh, is it true? Are these, are these facts true, that were printed in the Tulsa newspaper?" Doug Parker replies, "Is that the question? Thanks, um, first off, um, we are, at the end of this, going to have a presentation. I'm happy to answer all business related questions. But right now, as for the nominees, I'm happy to answer your question now, just for, so we can get to the formal part of this meeting, um, know this: there will be plenty of time afterwards for all sorts of business related questions, um, but nonetheless, uh, to answer your question, I'm not certain as to whether the Tulsa World facts are exactly right, um, but what I do know is, um, as it relates to, um, the Envoy pilots, um, we asked, uh, we put forward a proposal that would make, um, the Envoy, uh, airline competitive with other providers and, uh, they elected not to ratify that agreement, which is their choice and that's, and that's where we are. They're an important part of the airline, they will be an important part of the airline, um, but they were, they were, they were, um, they were given a proposal they rejected, so- Ray Rogers interrupts, "How, how can American justify... I'll give you an example. I fly quite a bit, so I had to take a commuter airline. This was some years ago. I flew into Missouri and I had to get over to Illinois because I'm a commuter. And I was sitting right up front, and at that time, you had the curtain up front, and I noticed, and this is no lie now, that the pilots up there were nodding off, to my chagrin. And I said, well, I better speak up, which I did. And I found out at that time from those pilots that they were making, I think it was between 14 and 16 thousand dollars a year. Now, does American Airlines, that's a pretty proud name. I've flown American a lot. When I look at these kinds of offers, I have to think of it more as a McDonald's airline. Or a Burger King airline. Not an American Airline. How can you justify, when you consider what the directors and the top executives are getting, how can you justify a contract offer like that? Now, I know you have three feeder airlines, and what I would probably look at and see what's happening now is, perhaps there's going to be whipsawing of the employees within the American system. I mean some airlines used to set up a non-union, a kind of double-breasted outfit. Right now, seems it to be more internal. But again, how, I ask again, how - and I'll ask the board of directors - how can you justify offering a contract like that to any employees? How do you justify it? Just answer the question. How do you justify it? Otherwise, I'm going to have to refer to American as McDonald's, okay, not American Airlines, but McDonald's airlines. Thank you." Doug Parker responds, "Thank you. Um, okay, again, um, we, we justify it, um, based upon, first, first and foremost, the pilots, um, and all the professionals that American Airlines have are, um, extremely, uh, confident and professional, uh, aviators, uh, who take their jobs really seriously and do it exceptionally well and extremely safely and we're extremely proud of the job they do, uh, and that includes those that we, that we use, uh, to provide our regional flights as well. So, we're extremely, uh, proud of and pleased with, uh, the, uh, qualifications and, safety, uh, qualifications of the employees we have. Um, as to that contract, again, we put, we, we put forward a proposal which our pilots rejected, which is completely their prerogative. Uh, other airlines, um, uh, have the same contract. Uh, and er, uh, er, uh, some, uh, similar terms, and the Envoy, and the Envoy pilots chose not to accept those terms. That's their choice. So, they're, they're living under their current contract and we're abiding by that contract, um, and as we bring on new flights, uh, they may go to different airlines who are, who are, um, who have different, who have different terms. So at any rate, moving on... Ray "With all due respect. Wait a minute. Okay. I want to be on record that you have not justified that contract offer with those paltry salaries. You have not justified that contract offer or those paltry sums to the pilots. I can't imagine what the flight attendants and the ground crew are making. How do you live on that? That's what's happening in our society today. Corporate executives like American Airlines and Coca-Cola and Chevron are so damned greedy. That's what's the problem, the problem up in the world today. I think you oughtta look at yourselves in the mirror. You need to think of what you're doing to American society and American workers. Look! And ask yourselves, 'Are you proud to do this?' Because I sure wouldn't be if I was in your position." Doug Parker "Alright, thank you sir. Second item of business, ratification of the employ... sure... [at this point, he has agreed to field another question, from a different person, and she changes the subject.] Good luck to you guys. You're going to need it. |
Originally Posted by Setpropeller
(Post 1660223)
In parkers defense, that's his job! To get idiot pilots to agree to an unjustifiable contract. We think we are so smart, Parker and his team are smarter. PSA proved it. Over 100 million dollars in compensation for him and his team, record profits for the airline. $23000 for pilots to fly a 30 million dollar machine with people in them. Basic economics supply and demand! ;)
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Psa justified it In parkers defense, that's his job! To get idiot pilots to agree to an unjustifiable contract. We think we are so smart, Parker and his team are smarter. PSA proved it. Over 100 million dollars in compensation for him and his team, record profits for the airline. $23000 for pilots to fly a 30 million dollar machine with people in them. Basic economics supply and demand! I respectfully disagree. Although the question could have been better worded. "At a time when it is a well know fact regarding a shortage of qualified pilots at the regional level, how is it beneficial to a share holder of AA group that you purposefully make it more difficult to hire qualified workers?", "Is cutting wages at a time like this irresponsible?" Just because Delta is doing it doesn't make it right. Are we to expect AA to fund an oil refinery next? |
I'd fly a - 9 for 23k a year, you know how shiny that thing is? It holds like a thousand people. I'll just marry a super rich girl after I show her how cool I am standing in front of it with my aviators on.
-Future PSA FO- |
Originally Posted by MrObvious
(Post 1660249)
I'd fly a - 9 for 23k a year, you know how shiny that thing is? It holds like a thousand people. I'll just marry a super rich girl after I show her how cool I am standing in front of it with my aviators on.
-Future PSA FO- |
Originally Posted by paxhauler85
(Post 1660238)
This brain trust holds the futures of every AA, Airways, PDT, Eagle and PSA pilot in the palm of his hand.
Good luck to you guys. You're going to need it. |
Originally Posted by MrObvious
(Post 1660249)
I'd fly a jet for 23k a year, you know how shiny that thing is? It holds like a thousand people. I'll just marry a super rich girl after I show her how cool I am standing in front of it with my aviators on.
-Future Regional FO- |
Originally Posted by samballs
(Post 1660259)
Actually its the current PSA fo's
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He basically said the pilots are responsible for low wages. I don't see anything wrong with that. You only get what you negotiate.
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In Dougie we trust
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Originally Posted by Al Czervik
(Post 1660266)
CEO of AWA to CEO of worlds largest airline. Seems to have a decent track record of success.
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Originally Posted by buddies8
(Post 1660342)
so did steven wolfe and glenn tilton. both losers at all times just like parker. you a dependent of parker?
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Originally Posted by Goflynow
(Post 1660167)
There is no shortage of pilots - there are just pilots that won't work for that kind of money. |
Originally Posted by WbusANKER
(Post 1660403)
...Save for the "Pagey"'s and the "Meyers"'s...And of course the MEC and idiots at PSA that WILL work for those kind of wages...
Somehow they seem to feel okay with their decision to further erode the industry for selfish gain. Maybe it is that they have underlying guilt they are trying to hide? In the end, Their conscience is no more clear than Dougbag - perhaps worse so because they turned on their own. Everyone knows the truth, whether they want to own it or not. Karma will visit them eventually. |
Originally Posted by MrObvious
(Post 1660249)
I'd fly a - 9 for 23k a year, you know how shiny that thing is? It holds like a thousand people. I'll just marry a super rich girl after I show her how cool I am standing in front of it with my aviators on.
-Future PSA FO- "I'd fly a - 9 for 23k a year, that's a 50% pay raise! More diapers and baby food for the little one! That thing has an MTOW of more than 3,000 lbs, TWO engines for multiengine time, and TURBINE engines at that - think of the logbook enhancement from all those darn C172 hours! I would get to fly for more than 40 hours a month?? Sign me up tomorrow!" -Any current flight instructor- I realize I may start a flame war. Just wanting to add some perspective. |
Originally Posted by Flightcap
(Post 1660442)
Let's say that again, from a CFI perspective:
"I'd fly a - 9 for 23k a year, that's a 50% pay raise! More diapers and baby food for the little one! That thing has an MTOW of more than 3,000 lbs, TWO engines for multiengine time, and TURBINE engines at that - think of the logbook enhancement from all those darn C172 hours! I would get to fly for more than 40 hours a month?? Sign me up tomorrow!" -Any current flight instructor- I realize I may start a flame war. Just wanting to add some perspective. |
Originally Posted by PilotCrusader
(Post 1660449)
If all you are doing is flying 40 hours a month and making 11.5k per year, then you are doing it wrong. Every new FO I have talked to lately was making more at the CFI level than first year pay at a regional. There is plenty out there.
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Henry Ford didn't pay his workers the unprecedented sum of $5 to be nice or charitable. He did it because he knew that with that money his workers would then be able to buy is products, making his products that much more successful and profitable. American corporations have lost that lesson. Nobody thinks about "gee I've squeezed every penny out of my workers' wages, how come nobody wants my products anymore?"
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Henry Ford started his product line. Its a very different mentality to be the owner of a company as opposed to being a CEO of a publicly traded company.
Share holders expectations and return is now a big factor in a CEOs job. Especially when the majority of the CEO's compensation doesn't come from salaries as much as stock options. Does a CEO care if his employes can purchase the product? Not really. If the market thinks that increased revenue from lowering labor expense increases stock value.... Thats what they will do. |
Originally Posted by Avroman
(Post 1660649)
Henry Ford didn't pay his workers the unprecedented sum of $5 to be nice or charitable. He did it because he knew that with that money his workers would then be able to buy is products, making his products that much more successful and profitable. American corporations have lost that lesson. Nobody thinks about "gee I've squeezed every penny out of my workers' wages, how come nobody wants my products anymore?"
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Originally Posted by Avroman
(Post 1660649)
Henry Ford didn't pay his workers the unprecedented sum of $5 to be nice or charitable. He did it because he knew that with that money his workers would then be able to buy is products, making his products that much more successful and profitable. American corporations have lost that lesson. Nobody thinks about "gee I've squeezed every penny out of my workers' wages, how come nobody wants my products anymore?"
It's hilarious to compare the two to begin with; we non-rev, we don't buy tickets (in general, of course there are a few that do). |
Brave of him to speak up and plant the seed during that meeting, but Ray Rogers appears to be a labor activist. I think Parker's brief statements were less a result of being caught off guard than him simply wanting to appease a disruptive attendee and move on with the meeting. I'm more embarrassed by Rogers than proud of him. Crashing a shareholder meeting isn't a particularly noble way to get your message across.
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Originally Posted by N927EV
(Post 1660094)
I fly quite a bit, so I had to take a commuter airline. This was some years ago. I flew into Missouri and I had to get over to Illinois because I'm a commuter. And I was sitting right up front, and at that time, you had the curtain up front, and I noticed, and this is no lie now, that the pilots up there were nodding off, to my chagrin. And I said, well, I better speak up, which I did.
And I found out at that time from those pilots that they were making, I think it was between 14 and 16 thousand dollars a year. ] What did Eagle fly that had no cockpit door? Sounds like he was on a Great Lakes flight out of STL or a TSA jetstream when they did the EAS stuff. |
Originally Posted by fosters
(Post 1660686)
We had a new record trade deficit just announced, $47 billion for April, higher wages in the US would just push more stuff overseas. This is not the same world as it was 100 years ago, where everything was made here.
It's hilarious to compare the two to begin with; we non-rev, we don't buy tickets (in general, of course there are a few that do). If however, pilots and employees were paid more, those increased salaries would yield higher tax revenue(as the 1%ers pay a lot lower percent in taxes than the worker-yes, ten million dollars in the pockets of the worker pay more taxes than if they remain in the pockets of the rich). That increased revenue to the fed government would surely be beneficial in paying down our deficit. |
These managers have benefited ENORMOUSLY from quantitative easing--that is the govt. buying stocks. They don't have to do anything and the share price rises due to inflation of the stock market. it is up 190% since the crash. These guys have become greedy and lazy. The new breed of CEO has nothing invested in the company they run, they just raid the coffers, then move on.
Now that the Fed is announcing they are going to taper off their cash injections, the whole market is floundering. Only the fact that Europe and Japan have said they are continuing their own QE is keeping the US stock market from declining or crashing. |
Originally Posted by WbusANKER
(Post 1660403)
...Save for the "Pagey"'s and the "Meyers"'s...And of course the MEC and idiots at PSA that WILL work for those kind of wages...
Somehow they seem to feel okay with their decision to further erode the industry for selfish gain. Maybe it is that they have underlying guilt they are trying to hide? In the end, Their conscience is no more clear than Dougbag - perhaps worse so because they turned on their own. Everyone knows the truth, whether they want to own it or not. Karma will visit them eventually. I never once justified PSA voting yes and most of the PSA posters on this board are the same. As a matter of fact I was a very vocal no voter. Check my post history. All I do is respond with facts when people on here post incorrect information. "I heard from a FA that dates a PSA guy" is not a reliable source of information. My posts are unbiased. If you say something that is true I acknowledge it. People are always using the term "PSA style contract with terrible work rules, pay, and QoL." This is simply not the case. Believe what you want I honestly do not care. The pay caps are one thing and cannot be defended. The rest of our contract is just fine and I will have no problem being here while waiting for my shot at AAG with 18+ days off a month. 21 off for June. That being said I have applied elsewhere and would leave if a "next level" job called me. It's a regional. It's going to suck. Some parts suck way less than other regionals(SAP, soft pay), some suck more(pay caps). You two don't know everything and that is very evident by what you post. I've had enough of it and will continue to be happy while you are both miserable. |
Originally Posted by slats fail
(Post 1660118)
Wow. Can anyone post a link to the video?
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How great would it be in ALPA as a collective whole went after every mainline carrier and negotiated in this manner for all of its regionals. No excuse for contracts to be offered like that in todays climate.
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