Foreign airlines may save regional pilots
06-21-2014 | 06:59 AM
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This.
What you will eventually see is very cheap foreign airlines lowering wages to offer lower and lower fares. It's the only piece of the puzzle left that can be controlled. With the high level of automation in the newest widebodies, it will be easier to hire inexperienced crew to manage the airplane. This will all be fine until the incidents like Air France, Asiana, Air Malaysia start killing Americans. By the time it becomes a problem, the American airline industry will already be in shambles. Let's be 100% honest; there is absolutely no reason to have trans-Atlantic roundtrip fares for $100 in a $100 million jet burning tens of thousands of dollars in jet fuel.
What you will eventually see is very cheap foreign airlines lowering wages to offer lower and lower fares. It's the only piece of the puzzle left that can be controlled. With the high level of automation in the newest widebodies, it will be easier to hire inexperienced crew to manage the airplane. This will all be fine until the incidents like Air France, Asiana, Air Malaysia start killing Americans. By the time it becomes a problem, the American airline industry will already be in shambles. Let's be 100% honest; there is absolutely no reason to have trans-Atlantic roundtrip fares for $100 in a $100 million jet burning tens of thousands of dollars in jet fuel.
No reason? I'm a consumer, and I want a $100 round trip fare. That's reason enough. It's why these airlines exist. You might as well say that after deregulation there was no reason for cheaper transcontinental fares and that Southwest, JetBlue, etc shouldn't exist.
06-21-2014 | 07:09 AM
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This post is extremely ignorant. You are comparing 787 pay to regional jet pay. There are regional captains making $100-$120k per year. How is flying as a 787 captain for $170k per year an improvement? Eventually that low 787 pay will force the rj captain pay and legacy pay even lower until they just go out of business.
06-21-2014 | 07:11 AM
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It's because of threads likes this that makes me glad I only have 17 years 14 days left to retire. It's about to get dramatically better at the Regionals, instead of inviting Cabotage in our house continue to support the big 3 that voted NO to concessions this past winter. Staffing is so tight now flights are being cancelled & planes parked. Upgaging will continue at mainline carriers and big RJs will be brought into the mainline fleets.....creating additional jobs on top of the jobs due to the retirement wave.
I agree with one part of the original post. ALPA can suck it at the REGIONAL level. You guys need a RALPA. That does not have a conflicting interest. Organize, advertise, protest, informational picketing, put up the big Rat, full page newspaper ads.
But you don't treat indigestion & heartburn by inviting a cancerous virus in to counteract it. In the end you'll need Chemo and what's left of the industry will be devastated and working for a "livable" wage. A livable wage in the US now is around $50 grand. Do you REALLY want livable wages flying big metal around the US? I'm an 8th yr DAL narrow body right seater. My total comp this year, excluding the value of healthcare will be around $215,000 & I'm home on average 15 days a month.
You can take cabotage and a "livable" wage and shove it.
I agree with one part of the original post. ALPA can suck it at the REGIONAL level. You guys need a RALPA. That does not have a conflicting interest. Organize, advertise, protest, informational picketing, put up the big Rat, full page newspaper ads.
But you don't treat indigestion & heartburn by inviting a cancerous virus in to counteract it. In the end you'll need Chemo and what's left of the industry will be devastated and working for a "livable" wage. A livable wage in the US now is around $50 grand. Do you REALLY want livable wages flying big metal around the US? I'm an 8th yr DAL narrow body right seater. My total comp this year, excluding the value of healthcare will be around $215,000 & I'm home on average 15 days a month.
You can take cabotage and a "livable" wage and shove it.
06-21-2014 | 07:31 AM
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Yup, let's remove the EPA, the FAA, the SEC, etc because all these government entities hamper the free market. In a TRUELY free market society, if it made more sense for us to be dumping chemical waste into a playground to save money, it would happen (see: Cuyohoga River in the 1970s...only it wasn't a playground, it was drinking water). The moral compass in a completely free market has north pointing toward the dollar sign and whatever would make the most profits.
06-21-2014 | 07:34 AM
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The rules and system in place, does not favor true capitalism. This is not true capitalism. What we witness day in and day out, the entire game is skewed and rigged in favor of a few players.
06-21-2014 | 07:36 AM
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How would you feel if the US government allowed the majors to hire any pilot in the world with "1500" hours. Pilots in SE Asia would come over in droves to work for $38,000 a year and might actually even do it for less days off. Happy free market to you.
06-21-2014 | 07:43 AM
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You do realize that we are nowhere near pure capitalism, right? Pure capitalism by definition entails zero government regulations, zero barriers to entry.
NIA is a problem precisely because it exists outside of the fair market, outside of our "society," else why would a Norwegian arline need to be based in Ireland?
"Capitalism" requires a level playing field. NIA, mideast carriers, etc certainly aren't playing on a level field. Capitalism is not even remotely involved here.
You want the "market" to decide. But the "market" has nothing to do with the outcome--the winner will be whoever exploits bureaucratic loopholes, or whoever pays the most to have loopholes created or closed. NIA/ME carriers are counting on ignorant rubes to yawn while they wipe us out. So far, so good.
06-21-2014 | 07:45 AM
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So you want to burn the entire american transportation model to the ground because "boo hoo for me?" No one would have predicted 15 years ago when scope was released and regionals began to expand that the regional model would turn into mini-majors with wages at a fraction of the cost. The US free market is speaking right now. Things are changing for the better and when the majors pick up hiring, there will be even more change. CommutAir was just the beginning.
How would you feel if the US government allowed the majors to hire any pilot in the world with "1500" hours. Pilots in SE Asia would come over in droves to work for $38,000 a year and might actually even do it for less days off. Happy free market to you.
How would you feel if the US government allowed the majors to hire any pilot in the world with "1500" hours. Pilots in SE Asia would come over in droves to work for $38,000 a year and might actually even do it for less days off. Happy free market to you.
06-21-2014 | 07:46 AM
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Foreign airlines may save regional pilots
Not tons of outside coverage on this issue. Here's a recent article with which I wholly agree:
http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-bl...r-union-favors
http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-bl...r-union-favors
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06-21-2014 | 07:55 AM
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It's not a boo hoo party for me. 15,000 regional pilots make horrible wages. How is this system not broken? yet no one cares or does anything to help us out. suddenly alpa cares about nai? What about it's own pilots who make way less than what these foreign guys pay. its sad how far down the river the pilots in this country have been sold. Open your eyes and look what happened right here its way worse than little ole nai or any other foreign carrier.
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