Foreign airlines may save regional pilots
06-21-2014 | 02:02 PM
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Meanwhile, over in the corporates, we're throwing offers out all over the place. A friend, at 36, interviewed for a job, the company liked him and only said, "give me a number". With a 2 in front of the zeros, he was hired on the spot, wished he'd asked for more. A flight attendant just got a job on Gulstreams in NY for RJ captain money.
And so it goes, "I want 121 time", right...
GF
And so it goes, "I want 121 time", right...
GF
06-21-2014 | 02:42 PM
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What people don't seem to understand is if the law changes allowing NAI (et al), there will be downward wage pressure on all U.S. airlines, making future contracts at all levels lower paying. This will filter down to the regionals, until no Americans are willing to take those jobs, and they will be replaced with foreign workers. The industry (and money) will go overseas just like so many other industries formerly based in the U.S. It will erode the middle class further. I hope you have a backup plan to be one of the 'haves', instead of the 'nots'. This industry is one if the last great American 'know how' industries. Please don't let it fade away.
06-21-2014 | 03:31 PM
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Let me start by saying this is not flame-bait, but the reality of a better life and career for most regional pilot does not lay with American legacy carriers. ALPA and the big three have turned their backs on the hard working and sometimes abused 18,000 regional pilots. Simple contract corrections, modest QOL improvements, solid flow and/or seniority list placement have been ignored. What do the legacy carriers expect the 18,000 pilot regional pilot monster to do… sit and wait to be invited to the exclusive esoteric party? If they had any common sense, they would include regional pilots now, and I mean tomorrow. If not, I believe our pilots livelihood and QOL improvements will be provided by foreign carriers. Again, this post is not meant to anger anybody, but you have to place yourself in the shoes of the everyday regional pilot.
I have exited the industry after flying for multiple regional carriers (4 types). I have no checkride failures, a degree plus multiple other FAA tickets… still no call from the big boys. I am not unusual, but rather a carbon copy of the multitudes of highly qualified regional folks that are currently out there and not getting called.
I fervently hope that foreign carriers are granted permission to operate in the U.S. and hire American pilots. I was very disappointed in the latest congressional vote concerning NAI.
Some of you may toss me aside as disgruntled, but there are thousands of other regional pilot that are of the same opinion but silent.
I will do everything I can to promote foreign carriers to operate in the U.S. and for regional pilots to convert their licenses for a better life.
REMEMBER, the legacies created this 18,000 regional pilot monster,,,, please accept the repercussions.
For regional pilots, listed below is a bit of info concerning a possible better way of life.
If you have an ICAO ATP and more than 500 hours on Multi Pilot Aircraft:
Your Requirements in Brief
Pass 14 Written Exams
Obtain a First Class Medical
Pass Training as Required in a Flight Simulator
Approximately $2000
As an example concerning regional compensation… compare this to your Regional paycheck….
Norwegian pays its captains about $170,000 annually and pays first officers about half that.
Again not flamebait,,,, but if you insist. ALPA you can kiss my A$$
I have exited the industry after flying for multiple regional carriers (4 types). I have no checkride failures, a degree plus multiple other FAA tickets… still no call from the big boys. I am not unusual, but rather a carbon copy of the multitudes of highly qualified regional folks that are currently out there and not getting called.
I fervently hope that foreign carriers are granted permission to operate in the U.S. and hire American pilots. I was very disappointed in the latest congressional vote concerning NAI.
Some of you may toss me aside as disgruntled, but there are thousands of other regional pilot that are of the same opinion but silent.
I will do everything I can to promote foreign carriers to operate in the U.S. and for regional pilots to convert their licenses for a better life.
REMEMBER, the legacies created this 18,000 regional pilot monster,,,, please accept the repercussions.
For regional pilots, listed below is a bit of info concerning a possible better way of life.
If you have an ICAO ATP and more than 500 hours on Multi Pilot Aircraft:
Your Requirements in Brief
Pass 14 Written Exams
Obtain a First Class Medical
Pass Training as Required in a Flight Simulator
Approximately $2000
As an example concerning regional compensation… compare this to your Regional paycheck….
Norwegian pays its captains about $170,000 annually and pays first officers about half that.
Again not flamebait,,,, but if you insist. ALPA you can kiss my A$$
06-21-2014 | 03:49 PM
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What people don't seem to understand is if the law changes allowing NAI (et al), there will be downward wage pressure on all U.S. airlines, making future contracts at all levels lower paying. This will filter down to the regionals, until no Americans are willing to take those jobs, and they will be replaced with foreign workers. The industry (and money) will go overseas just like so many other industries formerly based in the U.S. It will erode the middle class further. I hope you have a backup plan to be one of the 'haves', instead of the 'nots'. This industry is one if the last great American 'know how' industries. Please don't let it fade away.
06-21-2014 | 03:52 PM
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Pilots eat their own. That's why we have regional airlines in the first place. This job shouldn't even exist. It exists because a bunch of senior pilots sat around the negotiating table one day and told management "We need the most senior pilots to earn $300,000 per year". Management said "ok we'll do that, but then we need the most junior pilots to earn $20,000 per year". The senior pilots at the table paused for a moment. About 30 seconds went by and one of the pilots said "We can live with that". All the other pilots at the table nodded their head in agreement.
In the age of short attention span theatre, I'm afraid that if the new generation of pilots rely on 3 second feel-good sound bites, instead of recognizing and negotiating from the complex chain of events that got us where we are, then the profession is lost.
Maybe George Carlin was right about the pu********ification of Americans. If pilots aren't willing to stand up and fight for what they collectivley can achieve, then at least stop whining.
06-21-2014 | 04:02 PM
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Research the US Maritime industry and what impact the Flag of Convenience had on that industry in the US. Should NAI be the camel's nose for offshore, outsourced labor your career is over.
06-21-2014 | 04:44 PM
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If you're serious, I'll second the clueless comment. If you can't be bothered to educate yourself about one of the biggest threats to the piloting profession, at any level, then what is there to discuss?
Research the US Maritime industry and what impact the Flag of Convenience had on that industry in the US. Should NAI be the camel's nose for offshore, outsourced labor your career is over.
Research the US Maritime industry and what impact the Flag of Convenience had on that industry in the US. Should NAI be the camel's nose for offshore, outsourced labor your career is over.
06-21-2014 | 05:58 PM
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06-21-2014 | 06:15 PM
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