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Justdoinmyjob 08-03-2014 10:34 AM


Originally Posted by XJT Pilot (Post 1698177)
An illegal job action was also taken in the 80's e.g. PATCO not one went to jail

How many of the PATCO strikers kept their jobs after the strike? Exactly where is PATCO today? Don't think for a minute that ANY pilot group, mainline or regional, has the leverage we think we have. However, you are free to exercise your rights. Just don't be suprised to find out you don't have any rights to the job you currently enjoy.

MikeB525 08-03-2014 11:05 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1698191)
Delta sued 49 pilots for 1 million each for encouraging a illegal job action. ( no overtime)
You can also go to jail on a civil matter if a judge issues a injunction and it is not complied with.
Here is a nice summary of how devastating the PATCO strike was to organized labor.

Yet three decades later, with the economy shrinking or stagnant for nearly four years now and Reagan’s party moving even further to the right than where he stood, the long-term costs of his destruction of the union loom ever larger. It is clear now that the fallout from the strike has hurt workers and distorted our politics in ways Reagan himself did not advocate.

Although a conservative, Reagan often argued that private sector workers’ rights to organize were fundamental in a democracy. He not only made this point when supporting Lech Walesa’s anti-Communist Solidarity movement in Poland; he also boasted of being the first president of the Screen Actors Guild to lead that union in a strike. Over time, however, his crushing of the controllers’ walkout — which he believed was justified because federal workers were not allowed under the law to strike — has helped undermine the private-sector rights he once defended.

Workers in the private sector had used the strike as a tool of leverage in labor-management conflicts between World War II and 1981, repeatedly withholding their work to win fairer treatment from recalcitrant employers. But after Patco, that weapon was largely lost. Reagan’s unprecedented dismissal of skilled strikers encouraged private employers to do likewise. Phelps Dodge and International Paper were among the companies that imitated Reagan by replacing strikers rather than negotiating with them. Many other employers followed suit.

By 2010, the number of workers participating in walkouts was less than 2 percent of what it had been when Reagan led the actors’ strike in 1952. Lacking the leverage that strikes once provided, unions have been unable to pressure employers to increase wages as productivity rises. Inequality has ballooned to a level not seen since Reagan’s boyhood in the 1920s.

Although he opposed government strikes, Reagan supported government workers’ efforts to unionize and bargain collectively. As governor, he extended such rights in California. As president he was prepared to do the same. Not only did he court and win Patco’s endorsement during his 1980 campaign, he directed his negotiators to go beyond his legal authority to offer controllers a pay raise before their strike — the first time a president had ever offered so much to a federal employees’ union.

But the impact of the Patco strike on Reagan’s fellow Republicans has long since overshadowed his own professed beliefs regarding public sector unions. Over time the rightward-shifting Republican Party has come to view Reagan’s mass firings not as a focused effort to stop one union from breaking the law — as Reagan portrayed it — but rather as a blow against public sector unionism itself.

Just want to say, nicely written and informative.

RV5M 08-03-2014 12:21 PM


Originally Posted by MikeB525 (Post 1698417)
Just want to say, nicely written and informative.

It's from an NY Times article.

Packrat 08-03-2014 01:22 PM


Originally Posted by RV5M (Post 1698480)
It's from an NY Times article.

When you do that, you owe it to the source to attribute it.

CBreezy 08-03-2014 01:28 PM


Originally Posted by Packrat (Post 1698522)
When you do that, you owe it to the source to attribute it.

Stealing Intellectual Property isn't right?

Justdoinmyjob 08-03-2014 02:22 PM


Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 1698528)
Stealing Intellectual Property isn't right?

YEARRGH!! It be piracy!
http://gamerekon.com/wp-content/uplo...on-770x345.png

CBreezy 08-03-2014 03:25 PM


Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob (Post 1698560)

You made my day. Thanks for making me look like an idiot off the internet as well.

RV5M 08-03-2014 04:02 PM


Originally Posted by Packrat (Post 1698522)
When you do that, you owe it to the source to attribute it.

Don't tell me. Tell sailingfun.

MR JT8D 08-03-2014 04:50 PM


Originally Posted by XJT Pilot (Post 1698177)
Guys! You are not going to jail, for not doing something. An illegal job action was also taken in the 80's e.g. PATCO not one went to jail. Look, i'm not encouraging anything here but stop with the jail threats its BS. Sorry Super Moderator! I know you can be held liable for any such talk of anarchy about this industry, but you have no proof that the government has the ability to jail anyone for standing up for their rights or beliefs. Its you opinion and you entitled to it. But your wrong!

Again, nobody will ever go to jail for not doing something they don't want to do!

Kick me off admonish me IDK, but your no better then the guys spreading rumors of this crap!

Just to refresh everyone's memory about PATCO. PATCO workers were FEDERAL EMPLOYEES who took an oath NOT to strike. Till this day I support Regan's decision to fire them... It's part of being an American. Sorry.

XJT Pilot 08-04-2014 03:41 PM


Originally Posted by MR JT8D (Post 1698645)
Just to refresh everyone's memory about PATCO. PATCO workers were FEDERAL EMPLOYEES who took an oath NOT to strike. Till this day I support Regan's decision to fire them... It's part of being an American. Sorry.


I agree, apples and oranges. Allot of good point by everyone!

I hope this urban legend has been debunked. However, ALPA is more afraid of this subject then any airline because in the end their the ones with our CASH!


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