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JoeMerchant 08-24-2014 08:56 AM


Originally Posted by Jefferson (Post 1711562)
Want to really get attention and affect some change. Every pilot with more than a year senority and less than seven, should walk in to their CP's office the day before their Oct. bid closes, and turn in their two weeks notice. Anything less than that would be weatherable. Think about it. You left on good terms and are therefore eligible for rehire. You leave a job fully qualified to fill the IMMEDIATE industry wide vacancies (change of domicile possible!), and worst case scenario is you have to replace a $40k a year job. Best case.... mainline starts moving some of that money they are saving from all those expensive guys retiring, and pays retention and improves existing contracts for everyone....

Just a thought.

Nah...That would actually require these unhappy people to put their money where their mouth is. Much easier to just get on FB and beotch about it.....

Jefferson 08-24-2014 09:00 AM


Originally Posted by JoeMerchant (Post 1711592)
Nah...That would actually require these unhappy people from putting their money where their mouth is. Much easier to just get on FB and beotch about it.....

Ok.. I laughed.. and there is validity here. But in reality, the system was NEVER meant to sustain an 8 year stagnation.. the rules have changed, and the eternal F/O's do have SOME validity to their whining.

JoeMerchant 08-24-2014 09:06 AM


Originally Posted by Jefferson (Post 1711597)
Ok.. I laughed.. and there is validity here. But in reality, the system was NEVER meant to sustain an 8 year stagnation.. the rules have changed, and the eternal F/O's do have SOME validity to their whining.

That's true. However it is also a problem that likely won't happen again. It was a combination of events that created this "perfect storm". They could do as you said, and that would change things. Instead they will just whine about it, and it won't change. Besides, they are too busy now chasing quick upgrades at Mesa, Compass, GoJets, and PSA.....

skyxbomb 08-24-2014 09:44 AM


Originally Posted by JoeMerchant (Post 1711600)
That's true. However it is also a problem that likely won't happen again. It was a combination of events that created this "perfect storm". They could do as you said, and that would change things. Instead they will just whine about it, and it won't change. Besides, they are too busy now chasing quick upgrades at Mesa, Compass, GoJets, and PSA.....

The perfect storm was 6 years ago. Much like it is now until economy tanked and retirement age was raised to 65. One of them we didn't really have control over. There's nothing wrong with using regionals as stepping stone to get in and get out. That was what regionals were meant for. Unfortunately for many of this, this stepping stone turned into sinking sand. Meanwhile many of us are fighting for major/lcc like contract at a regional. That's like the doctors interning wanting to stay at their residency and demanding higher pay and QOL. It's definitely an uphill battle especially when the regionals will most likely disappear in the next ten years due to lack of pilots.

Jefferson 08-24-2014 09:58 AM


Originally Posted by skyxbomb (Post 1711631)
Meanwhile many of us are fighting for major/lcc like contract at a regional. Same skill set. That's like the doctors interning wanting to stay at their residency and demanding higher pay and QOL. Residency is still school. It's definitely an uphill battle especially when the regionals will most likely disappear in the next ten years due to lack of pilots. Conjecture


You're attempting to re-explain all this... I'm offering a suggestion to improve.. different subjects.

wiz5422 08-24-2014 10:24 AM

The solution is to support and encourage PDT pilots to hold the line started by XJET,
Envoy, and RAH in turning down subpar contracts.

Std Deviation 08-24-2014 10:26 AM


Originally Posted by Jefferson (Post 1711562)
Want to really get attention and affect some change. Every pilot with more than a year senority and less than seven, should walk in to their CP's office the day before their Oct. bid closes, and turn in their two weeks notice. Anything less than that would be weatherable. Think about it. You left on good terms and are therefore eligible for rehire. You leave a job fully qualified to fill the IMMEDIATE industry wide vacancies (change of domicile possible!), and worst case scenario is you have to replace a $40k a year job. Best case.... mainline starts moving some of that money they are saving from all those expensive guys retiring, and pays retention and improves existing contracts for everyone....

Just a thought.

Why more than a year? What's to lose at less than a year given two weeks notice. Can go to another regional without a problem or just explain to the next non-aviation employer that $500 bucks a week barely pays my electricity bill in TX in August, let alone my mortgage.

Jefferson 08-24-2014 10:29 AM


Originally Posted by Std Deviation (Post 1711678)
Why more than a year? What's to lose at less than a year given two weeks notice. Can go to another regional without a problem or just explain to the next non-aviation employer that $500 bucks a week barely pays my electricity bill in TX in August, let alone my mortgage.

Less than a year would likely leave you ineligible for re-hire.. thats the only reason for the exclusion.

ross9238 08-24-2014 10:31 AM

Joe doesn't have to worry about it because he is in the left seat and has been for a long time, right Joe. Would you turn your 4 weeks for the improvement of the industry?

Std Deviation 08-24-2014 10:37 AM


Originally Posted by Jefferson (Post 1711681)
Less than a year would likely leave you ineligible for re-hire.. thats the only reason for the exclusion.

Trust me, given the dismal conditions of being on reserve flying 11 hrs a month and commuting to JFK from DFW the last thing I'd want to do is get rehired here upon resigning. On the other hand, several other regionals were trying to poach my classmates during training so I'm sure resigning with less than a year would not impact hiring at another regional. I guess I'm not seeing your thesis- resigning and getting hired again by your current employer?


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