Originally Posted by Anderson (Post 1715487)

There's just so much wrong with this kind of thinking.

Captains and FOs have the same training. They have the same type ratings. They have the same ATP certificates. The physical safety of both is equally at risk. Both have an equal responsibility for the safety of the passengers (FOs can kill everyone on board just the same as a captain can).

Captains put their good name and record on the line much more than FOs? How is that?? FOs put their records and certificates on the line just the same. So often both the captain AND the FO get fired and/or violated for incidents and accidents.

I realized a long time ago that captains do not earn their seats, as you suggest. If that was true, then how do you explain some regional captains upgrading in 18 months while others don't make it to the left seat for 8 years? Did the 8 year FO perform so poorly that it took him nearly 5 times longer to earn what the other guy did? It's simply a matter of luck and timing when someone is able to upgrade.

The pay scale disparity is completely asinine. You mentioned capitalism as if it's a factor; free market capitalism is no where to be found in unionized airline pilot pay scales. Companies hand over a certain amount of money to the whole pilot group, and unions divide up the money in a very artificial, anti free-market type of system.

Originally Posted by tunes (Post 1715538)

There is no hope for you....you can't fix stupid.

Originally Posted by Delta1067 (Post 1715579)

He is clearly a case of someone who doesn't get it. Sounds like a "know it all" FO type. He will quickly figure it out once he upgrades and has to fly with inexperienced new hires. :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by cencal83406 (Post 1715607)

Yup, 7+ year FOs don't get it. Your spoon is more silver than ERAU grads. I'm sure you can look Mesaba guys in the face who had flow and not project superiority.

Many friends are career FOs thus far that had NWA jobs until XJ ALPA rolled over for the 108.

Originally Posted by cencal83406 (Post 1715607)

Yup, 7+ year FOs don't get it. Your spoon is more silver than ERAU grads. I'm sure you can look Mesaba guys in the face who had flow and not project superiority.

Many friends are career FOs thus far that had NWA jobs until XJ ALPA rolled over for the 108.

Originally Posted by cencal83406 (Post 1715438)

As far as responsibility, violations come in pairs, and I've had to save many hapless lifers from getting ME violated.

Originally Posted by cencal83406 (Post 1715438)

As far as responsibility, violations come in pairs, and I've had to save many hapless lifers from getting ME violated.