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jethikoki 08-30-2014 04:17 AM

Forget about Capt/FO pay. Explain why any FA should be paid more then any pilots. No FO at regionals should be getting less pay then the highest paid FA at a mainline.

Hetman 08-30-2014 05:07 AM

Hmmm. Worked for me in pre-post test and worked just now. Might be an android thing. Just search Youtube for "child tantrum" and take your pick.

tunes 08-30-2014 05:26 AM


Originally Posted by jethikoki (Post 1715769)
Forget about Capt/FO pay. Explain why any FA should be paid more then any pilots. No FO at regionals should be getting less pay then the highest paid FA at a mainline.

Except you know the whole completely different company aspect

Anderson 08-30-2014 06:08 AM


Originally Posted by tunes (Post 1715538)
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Originally Posted by Anderson


There's just so much wrong with this kind of thinking.

Captains and FOs have the same training. They have the same type ratings. They have the same ATP certificates. The physical safety of both is equally at risk. Both have an equal responsibility for the safety of the passengers (FOs can kill everyone on board just the same as a captain can).

Captains put their good name and record on the line much more than FOs? How is that?? FOs put their records and certificates on the line just the same. So often both the captain AND the FO get fired and/or violated for incidents and accidents.

I realized a long time ago that captains do not earn their seats, as you suggest. If that was true, then how do you explain some regional captains upgrading in 18 months while others don't make it to the left seat for 8 years? Did the 8 year FO perform so poorly that it took him nearly 5 times longer to earn what the other guy did? It's simply a matter of luck and timing when someone is able to upgrade.

The pay scale disparity is completely asinine. You mentioned capitalism as if it's a factor; free market capitalism is no where to be found in unionized airline pilot pay scales. Companies hand over a certain amount of money to the whole pilot group, and unions divide up the money in a very artificial, anti free-market type of system.




There is no hope for you....you can't fix stupid.

Are you saying that pilot wages ARE determined by the free market? That upgrades ARE merit based? That FOs DON'T have an ATP and type rating just like a captain?

Seems like you can't argue against my rational points, so you're only response is to call it stupid.

aviatorhi 08-30-2014 06:15 AM


Originally Posted by Anderson (Post 1715812)
Are you saying that pilot wages ARE determined by the free market? That upgrades ARE merit based? That FOs DON'T have an ATP and type rating just like a captain?

Seems like you can't argue against my rational points, so you're only response is to call it stupid.

You are not rational and adults don't normally argue with children. Go on thinking what you want to think. Just know that every single person who sees you in the cockpit is thinking "oh god, not him again".

tunes 08-30-2014 06:48 AM


Originally Posted by Anderson (Post 1715812)
Are you saying that pilot wages ARE determined by the free market? That upgrades ARE merit based? That FOs DON'T have an ATP and type rating just like a captain?

Seems like you can't argue against my rational points, so you're only response is to call it stupid.

My point still stands....and you continue to prove it. You are trying to argue that the CA and fo share the same responsibility.....that is absurd.

Anderson 08-30-2014 07:27 AM


Originally Posted by tunes (Post 1715844)
Quote:





Originally Posted by Anderson


Are you saying that pilot wages ARE determined by the free market? That upgrades ARE merit based? That FOs DON'T have an ATP and type rating just like a captain?

Seems like you can't argue against my rational points, so you're only response is to call it stupid.




My point still stands....and you continue to prove it. You are trying to argue that the CA and fo share the same responsibility.....that is absurd.

I recognize that the captain is the PIC and has the legal authority/responsibility, I'm simply arguing that there is no justification for the huge pay disparity between the two seats. At certain regional airlines, a senior FO can earn as little as 30% of a senior captain. That is what's absurd.

If people became captains based on merit, there could be an argument for the huge pay gap. But since it's usually based on when you get hired, I don't think there's a justification.

toomanyrjs 08-30-2014 08:44 AM


Originally Posted by Hetman (Post 1715760)

That was a Republic lifer after finding out he wasn't going to steal an Airbus seat after all! :D

Mesabah 08-30-2014 09:32 AM


Originally Posted by Paid2fly (Post 1715716)
Too bad Eastern Airlines isn't still around, you and Anderson could be first in line to cross...

....And ALPA would be the first to welcome him to the airline, as long as he pays his dues.

Chupacabras 08-31-2014 07:43 PM


Originally Posted by AlaskaBound (Post 1712630)
Says the greedy old geezer who should have retired years ago but didn't because he was entitled to work longer and make more money and stagnate the industry. Get over yourself old man. I hope you're long gone before I get to the majors. I couldn't stand flying with your type. If I had a dollar every time an old person said "that d*** entitled generation"...it's getting really old, and every generation says the generation before them was entitled, and you sound ignorant.

To the OP, I think there should be a flattened out version. Not necessarily paid the same amount but bring up the pay for the FO. Captains do have more responsibly and are the boss...they should get paid more.

Remember what makes you a captain, its not your skill, its when you got hired ONLY. Both pilots in the cockpit do basically the same job, and violations and certificate actions come in pairs, not just to the captain. There should be a flatter version so that this industry can hire otherwise you entitled captains might find yourselves in downgrade class earning pennies. Then, you would have a different perspective about the pay scale.

Even better would be if captain pay stayed the same and our greedy mainline partners paid more to increase FO pay to narrow the gap.


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