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seafeye 09-05-2014 07:50 AM

I voted no. Because I didn't like the 4 year cap on f/o's. They make the least money but took a big hit. With that said when PSA gets the remainder of 900's most people on property will upgrade. Nobody at PSA needs your 700's. The airplanes are only going to help those at the very bottom of the seniority list. And those people never voted for the TA. What I'm trying to say is that we don't feel like we won the lottery here. With or without the airplanes our lives will remain the same.
The winners here are all the new hires at PSA. While we struggled the last 10-15 years they will reap the rewards.

fisherman 09-05-2014 08:00 AM


Originally Posted by seafeye (Post 1720325)
I voted no. Because I didn't like the 4 year cap on f/o's. They make the least money but took a big hit. With that said when PSA gets the remainder of 900's most people on property will upgrade. Nobody at PSA needs your 700's. The airplanes are only going to help those at the very bottom of the seniority list. And those people never voted for the TA. What I'm trying to say is that we don't feel like we won the lottery here. With or without the airplanes our lives will remain the same.
The winners here are all the new hires at PSA. While we struggled the last 10-15 years they will reap the rewards.

Thank you for personally voting no.

While you may get slight pay raises as larger aircraft come onto property (which helps a small group of pilots), everyone else is screwed because in our incessant "negotiations" we are told we must lower ourselves down to PSA's standards (which screws over large groups of pilots).

Joliet 09-05-2014 09:08 AM

Yeah pretty much. More airplanes just means more new people, and more drama. This mom and pop shop doesn't feel or look the same anymore.

RJ Pilot 09-05-2014 09:28 AM

Huge campaing going on at envoy. All I can say to the PSA guys and gals is to plan accordingly your commute and your holiday travels.

skyxbomb 09-05-2014 09:31 AM


Originally Posted by RJ Pilot (Post 1720408)
Huge campaing going on at envoy. All I can say to the PSA guys and gals is to plan accordingly your commute and your holiday travels.

Okay. Pick a fight with PSA then even though it's your MEC and management that put you in this mess. Good luck to all because it'll just be ugly for everyone involved. For the record I will not deny any eagle guys but you do what you want. See how well that plays out in improving your QOL at your company especially when PSA and Envoy would be around the same size in two years. And some guys will never forget who started this crap.

Lvlng4Spd 09-05-2014 09:41 AM


Originally Posted by skyxbomb (Post 1720411)
Okay. Pick a fight with PSA then even though it's your MEC and management that put you in this mess. Good luck to all because it'll just be ugly for everyone involved. For the record I will not deny any eagle guys but you do what you want. See how well that plays out in improving your QOL at your company especially when PSA and Envoy would be around the same size in two years. And some guys will never forget who started this crap.

Just goes to show you some of these folks' true character. I had a PSA captain take a delay for ballast on a full flight out of CLT, just to accommodate me on a -200 jumpseat. Same experience in PHL on ZW. That's class and professionalism right there...

ysslah 09-05-2014 09:43 AM


Originally Posted by pagey (Post 1720310)
Have you ever voted on a contract?

There is no way to have concrete proof of anything. Sure you could screen shot your "voting against" but once you screen shot it you can just go change to "voting in favor." Your "idea" doesn't work.

Here's another "idea", how about acting like an adult, and the professional pilot that you supposedly are?

If you deny a PSA pilot today you have an about 80% chance of denying someone that did not vote yes to our LOA. In a couple months, and especially after December you'll have more than a 90% chance of denying the wrong person.......So 9 out of every 10 times you'll be denying a person who either voted no, or wasn't on the property at the time of the vote.

Yes I have. I am one of 83% that voted down the XJT TA. And if that idea doesn't work, I guess I'll go back to the regularly scheduled programming to denying every one of you sell outs.

RJ Pilot 09-05-2014 09:51 AM


Originally Posted by skyxbomb (Post 1720411)
And some guys will never forget who started this crap.

You bet we won't forget. PSA pilots along with your illustrious MEC leader started this crap.

enjoy.

skyxbomb 09-05-2014 10:05 AM


Originally Posted by RJ Pilot (Post 1720441)
You bet we won't forget. PSA pilots along with your illustrious MEC leader started this crap.

enjoy.

Say what you want RJ. PSA didn't not vote in that crap TA to undercut anyone. They did it to save their jobs which as you can tell from yesterday's news that it wasn't an idle threat. We had 49 aircraft before the TA. You're losing 47 in a 1.5 year period so yea PSA would've shut down in 1.5 years easily. Bet you guys would let us come sling gears for you then huh?

skyxbomb 09-05-2014 10:06 AM

How will you guys tell PDT to vote??


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